Emira V6 Racechip now out

[TurboTambo]

cool.
I've already posted *actual table pictures* of the Emiras ECU tables. Ours is just as real.

I don't know why I even bother with this community at all. 90% of what I get is just shit talk.

I'm sure half of the people in here don't even own Emira's, so I wouldn't worry.

 

[Nova]

cool.
I've already posted *actual table pictures* of the Emiras ECU tables. Ours is just as real.

I don't know why I even bother with this community at all. 90% of what I get is just shit talk.

I am waiting to see what you come up with. Genuinely interested to see another option.

 

[NicolasB]

cool.
I've already posted *actual table pictures* of the Emiras ECU tables. Ours is just as real.

I don't know why I even bother with this community at all. 90% of what I get is just shit talk.

Because if you would actually put your phone down and start tuning an actual Emira, then maybe people would start being more positive about what you are supposedly doing. It's been a lot of excuses and no real results in an Emira. We don't care about the Evora, it's a different ECU and a different tune.

As my father would always say, "Talk is cheap, it takes money to buy whiskey".

 

[TFS]

Because if you would actually put your phone down and start tuning an actual Emira, then maybe people would start being more positive about what you are supposedly doing. It's been a lot of excuses and no real results in an Emira. We don't care about the Evora, it's a different ECU and a different tune.

As my father would always say, "Talk is cheap, it takes money to buy whiskey".

Agreed.. as much as I want this to succeed and get the tune. Its all bla bla so far and no proof or whatsover. I offered many times my ecu for free! For the group and never got even back to me. I think its BS! Proof me wrong and stop acting like a child talking trash about the forum and the members.. without us you have nothing to stand on the emira! We provide you the info, the bits and pieces so that you can do your thing.. if we may believe that. So long… even if you come with something after today I will not buy from you, you are not worth to get paid for this the way you behave.

 

[geoffbland]

If you search up "VF Tuner" on the web you will find their website and the tunes they already offer for several other cars/engines.
Then search up "VF Tuner Reviews" and you will find plenty of reviews of this mod of Toyota V6 engines.
It seems to me like a legitimate company with good results elsewhere that is also taking the time to keep us informed on this forum.
Maybe it is taking a long time to get on the market or show any results on the Emira and it is always good to be sceptical but I'm not sure what the point is with the outright hostile posts?

 

[TFS]

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If you search up "VF Tuner" on the web you will find their website and the tunes they already offer for several other cars/engines.
Then search up "VF Tuner Reviews" and you will find plenty of reviews of this mod of Toyota V6 engines.
It seems to me like a legitimate company with good results elsewhere that is also taking the time to keep us informed on this forum.
Maybe it is taking a long time to get on the market or show any results on the Emira and it is always good to be sceptical but I'm not sure what the point is with the outright hostile posts?

Its not outright hostile post.. its that forum members here support everything that comes on the path in terms of tuning. Members support and offer.. to make this work, like myself offering the ecu without questions asked wheter it will work or not.. for the team, for us… to make it a better place! What I don't like is the way he responds to posts and talks about some members while everybody is waiting and being supportive for 100% all this time. And there is always something coming up in between..

 

[tankski]

Its not outright hostile post..

Yes it is. Costs nothing to not send the messages too.

What I don't like is the way he responds to posts

It's not brilliant but neither are the comments they're replying to. Everyone needs to do better.

This is not the VF Tuner thread, so let's stop here and move the conversation there.

 

[Terry]

Racechip just released their rival to JB4 - plug and play tuning box for V6. They are claiming 471 hp and 529NM on 93 fuel (UK 99 super unleaded +83hp +92NM). Hopefully this will spur JB4 to refine their tune further. Unlike the 2.0 tuning box takes 10 mins to install on V6. I think 475hp is about the sweetspot for the Emira. Stock feels underpowered, but 500+ would I suspect lead to traction issues notwithstanding reported engine/clutch failures

If this is confirmed on an independent dyno seems like they've achieved a fair bit more torque than JB4

On the tuning side RaceChip is what we refer to as a "dumb" box as it doesn't have access to CANbus data. The difference is covered in our FAQ: https://burgertuning.com/pages/faq

I don't believe it's physically possible to add more power or torque via piggyback tuning than we do via JB4 map3 w/OBDII attached. So if it did make more torque then there are physical modification differences that allowed for that like an exhaust system or pulley that accommodated it. Note their "stock" run makes 435wtq while our stock run makes 335wtq, around 100tq less. So something is up there for sure.

They also have a history of pushing optimistic dynos on other platforms that customers can never repeat. Maybe because without CANbus data access the system can't monitor AFR, timing, fuel trims, etc, in real time so running on the ragged edge would certainly be a riskier proposition. Easy to do on the low load dyno another thing to send out to customers like that. And their "engine warranty" is also just marketing. A customer reported to me he lost a $20k engine on their system and they offered to cover $5000 of it only after a big battle and his car was down for months. Picking a better tuning system that doesn't blow your motor is a smarter approach IMHO.

 

[Terry]

I had a piggyback on my WRX, but after a while the ECU adapted and the effect was marginal. Replaced with an ECU tune which was significantly more effective. These are just two annecdata and maybe things are different here but it really soured me on piggybacks.

A piggyback tuning system must be properly designed, like the JB4 is, to avoid undesired behavior like that. And flash tuning can be great also but has its limitations at times.

 

[NJemira85]

On the tuning side RaceChip is what we refer to as a "dumb" box as it doesn't have access to CANbus data. The difference is covered in our FAQ: https://burgertuning.com/pages/faq

I don't believe it's physically possible to add more power or torque via piggyback tuning than we do via JB4 map3 w/OBDII attached. So if it did make more torque then there are physical modification differences that allowed for that like an exhaust system or pulley that accommodated it. Note their "stock" run makes 435wtq while our stock run makes 335wtq, around 100tq less. So something is up there for sure.

They also have a history of pushing optimistic dynos on other platforms that customers can never repeat. Maybe because without CANbus data access the system can't monitor AFR, timing, fuel trims, etc, in real time so running on the ragged edge would certainly be a riskier proposition. Easy to do on the low load dyno another thing to send out to customers like that. And their "engine warranty" is also just marketing. A customer reported to me he lost a $20k engine on their system and they offered to cover $5000 of it only after a big battle and his car was down for months. Picking a better tuning system that doesn't blow your motor is a smarter approach IMHO.

Terry, they are quoted crank hp. It’s making less than your jb4

 

[dbjames]

Terry, they are quoted crank hp. It’s making less than your jb4

With the caveat that independent 'real world' dyno results of the JB4 people have posted are not as good Burger tuning's posted data - although this is not unusual. I have a JB4 on my Emira already. I will get a Racechip and back to back dyno them in due course and then we'll have an answer!

 

[NJemira85]

With the caveat that independent 'real world' dyno results of the JB4 people have posted are not as good Burger tuning's posted data - although this is not unusual. I have a JB4 on my Emira already. I will get a Racechip and back to back dyno them in due course and then we'll have an answer!

This is fair. No one has matched the map 2 gains (in terms of % power increase or actual hp)

 

[VF Tuner]

Because if you would actually put your phone down and start tuning an actual Emira, then maybe people would start being more positive about what you are supposedly doing. It's been a lot of excuses and no real results in an Emira. We don't care about the Evora, it's a different ECU and a different tune.

As my father would always say, "Talk is cheap, it takes money to buy whiskey".

Making a sensor signal faking piggyback is way easier than implementing real flashing. You will see soon enough.

Sending us nasty messages doesn’t do anyone any damn good, and also the emira isn’t the only platform we work on, actually as of right now it’s the platform with the most nasty attitude people towards us.

About some of these piggybacks…
You can literally build one of these things at home with a 10 dollar arduino and YouTube courses.
Let’s say it’s reading MAP voltage at 4 volts
Well a TINY bit of C code and a few pins and you output “3.4v” back to the ECU and the ECU thinks pressure is much lower

Now that’s not dismiss some piggybacks. Like JB4 they put tons of cool additional stuff and it’s probably the ONLY piggyback worth buying if you had to get one.


But some of these others…..

 

[NJemira85]

Making a sensor signal faking piggyback is way easier than implementing real flashing. You will see soon enough.

Sending us nasty messages doesn’t do anyone any damn good, and also the emira isn’t the only platform we work on, actually as of right now it’s the platform with the most nasty attitude people towards us.

About some of these piggybacks…
You can literally build one of these fucking things at home with a 10 dollar arduino and YouTube courses.

It’s hilarious to see guys act like this is revolutionary tuning when it’s *literally* taking a sensor input and sending a different output

Let’s say it’s reading MAP voltage at 4 volts
Well a TINY bit of C code and a few pins and you output “3.4v” back to the ECU and the ECU thinks pressure is much lower


You could literally build this crap at home with 10 bucks arduino “breakout board”


I remember years ago I made one of these just for shits and giggles to prove it and posted the C code online of exactly how it freaking works.

You could even replicate this shit with a fancy potentiometer for crying out loud.


Now that’s not dismiss some piggybacks. Like JB4 they put tons of cool additional stuff and it’s probably the ONLY piggyback worth buying if you had to get one.


But some of these others…..

Thank you for showing jb4 some respect. @Terry ’s kit is a cut or two above the rest of the field for sure.

 

[jp129]

Making a sensor signal faking piggyback is way easier than implementing real flashing. You will see soon enough.

Sending us nasty messages doesn’t do anyone any damn good, and also the emira isn’t the only platform we work on, actually as of right now it’s the platform with the most nasty attitude people towards us.

About some of these piggybacks…
You can literally build one of these things at home with a 10 dollar arduino and YouTube courses.
Let’s say it’s reading MAP voltage at 4 volts
Well a TINY bit of C code and a few pins and you output “3.4v” back to the ECU and the ECU thinks pressure is much lower

Now that’s not dismiss some piggybacks. Like JB4 they put tons of cool additional stuff and it’s probably the ONLY piggyback worth buying if you had to get one.


But some of these others…..

The greatest way to shut up the haters, will be with results.

Eye on the prize man, focus on your work to achieving those results.

Eveything else, is just a distraction.

 

[Terry]

Terry, they are quoted crank hp. It’s making less than your jb4

That is funny, somehow they've got dynojet a machine that measures power at the wheels to say "Clutch Power" and "Clutch Torque" with a made up correction factor inflating all the numbers. No wonder their chart makes 100tq stock more than ours did stock. First time I've seen that trick from them lol.

 

[Terry]

With the caveat that independent 'real world' dyno results of the JB4 people have posted are not as good Burger tuning's posted data - although this is not unusual. I have a JB4 on my Emira already. I will get a Racechip and back to back dyno them in due course and then we'll have an answer!

We've had a few customers report 450whp+ dynos similar to ours. But the nature of how tuning on this platform works will allow for a wide variance of results. We are able to add the most power in lower DA (lower elevation, colder weather) situations. As elevation and inlet temps increase, the ECU starts eating in to the JB4 power gains by unlocking more power on its own. Just the nature of the beast!

Looking forward to your test results!

 

[David s]

We've had a few customers report 450whp+ dynos similar to ours. But the nature of how tuning on this platform works will allow for a wide variance of results. We've able to add the most in lower DA (lower elevation, colder weather) situations. As elevation and inlet temps increase, the ECU starts unlocking some of the power gains we'd normally be providing on its own. Just the nature of the beast!

Looking forward to your test results!

Terry. In your experience with your unit. Does the Emira ecu adapt to the new instructions from the JB4 and bring the HP back down? Or is that a bit of a myth. My Emira feels about the same as when I installed it. When I go back to OEM mode, you notice the drop in performance, especially at lower rev range.

 

[Terry]

Terry. In your experience with your unit. Does the Emira ecu adapt to the new instructions from the JB4 and bring the HP back down? Or is that a bit of a myth. My Emira feels about the same as when I installed it. When I go back to OEM mode, you notice the drop in performance, especially at lower rev range.

It's not possible for the Emira to "adapt out" the changes made by the JB4. For that to happen the system just needs to be poorly designed. For example older systems that would alter boost pressure not mass airflow levels so the ECU would get conflicting datasets allowing it to learn one out.

 

[VF Tuner]

That is funny, somehow they've got dynojet a machine that measures power at the wheels to say "Clutch Power" and "Clutch Torque" with a made up correction factor inflating all the numbers. No wonder their chart makes 100tq stock more than ours did stock. First time I've seen that trick from them lol.

When I saw the results I couldn’t even believe it. If those were WHP results it’s on the edge of grenading.
The stock tables can’t even support that power level without running timing so ragged it will kill the engine