USA/Canada Delivery Thread
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First thing I would do when receiving my car is have the dealer change out the battery for whatever the best brand/type fits in the Emira? On that note, does anyone know what batter size fit the Emira?
Thanks for posting the link! Incredible information, certainly eye-opening to read. Japanese multinational company, headquartered in the USA, parts made in Portugal.
Do as TomE did, change to a base order, or move it to a one of the hotter variants and buy something else for now. In all honesty, you are rightly concerned and asking to be moved to the base V6 line, even if it means another longer wait, it may be worth it.
Canada gets so little allocations compared to you guys, so I’m base anyways and if I had the option to get an F/E I would really have to think about it. Yes, the price may go up, but I would be spending the savings flat bed towing the Emira to my dealer 100km away anyways.
Last thing, you mentioned that a lot of these parts may be damaged from the amount of time in storage… I can certainly see that being the case for a lot of these first car issues. Especially if very damp conditions and not proper heated / cooled storage.
I’m hoping. Hoping. That the US delays are due to all of what you say.
Hoping that Lotus is holding off because they know or think they know that US consumers are the most particular.
Not an excuse. Just my last salvation of good thoughts here. Like the delay is good…
For the Hopeful.
Here's a link to Amazon UK which lists the battery. It's currently out of stock though... I wonder why lol.
Ok I tried to put in the link to the Amazon page, but they're playing games with the link and won't let it go to the actual page.
Here's what the page looks like if it wasn't being messed with:
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It appears to use an H6/Group-48 size battery. I plan to upgrade to a Li-ion 12V to save 30+lbs from the rear and provide way more cold-cranking amps. I'll likely still keep it on a tender for when it's parked longer than a week without use just to be safe.
I'm debating between a lithium battery, and a light-weight AGM battery. The advantage of the lithium is of course the extreme light weight, but they're also quite expensive. They're also more susceptible to losing power in the cold, so if you live in an area where there are cold winters (i.e. snow and ice), you'll have to be diligent about keeping it on a tender. The AGM batteries aren't quite as light (although not bad), but they're about half the cost of lithium, and they do much better in cold environments. I guess it depends on where you live.
It seems to be difficult to get specific info about the Platinum battery, but here's the equivalent spec Duralast:
As you can see, it weighs 46.9 lbs.
Braille Battery makes a Group 8 size LiOn equivalent that weighs only 19.9 lbs, but it's also quite expensive:
Braille I48CS Intensity Carbon Group 48 (Max Power / Capacity) Lithium Battery
The I48CS model is a standard height lithium upgrade for vehicles that are equipped with a Group 48 battery. This model has DOUBLE the power & capacity of the ultra lightweight CE & CX models and all versions have been used in hundreds of Porsche cars ranging from Cayman GT4 to variety of 911...
shopbraille.com
$1,899 to save 27 lbs seems like a lot. The benefit there would obviously be the weight, but it's also the same size as the factory Emira battery, so it should be a straight swap without fitment issues. They make lithium and AGM batteries that are much less in weight and cost, but you'd have to come up with a mount. I don't know what the battery mount in the Emira looks like, but I'm sure it would be doable. The important spec to look for would be the Ah (amp hours) if you think your car is going to be sitting for days without being run. If you can put your car on a tender each night, you can save a lot of weight on some of the other batteries and the cost is half or less of the cost of the Group 8 size one.
This one for example costs $569.99, weighs 6.4 lbs. but it's smaller (need a way to adapt it to the factory mount) and has just over half the Lithium Amp Hour (Lithium equivalent to AGM Ah) rating at 45.
Braille G30 GreenLite Automotive Lithium Battery
Due to extremely high demand and large orders of our lithium batteries, production lead time is 3-5 business days. We are expanding our production capabilities and will get products out as fast as possible. Thank you for your understanding. At only 6.4 pounds, the GreenLite G30 is an...
shopbraille.com
Maybe some of the enterprising members here who have access to 3D printing technology can devise an adapter for the Emira. Being able to save 40 lbs with that battery for that price is a pretty good cost per weight-saving value.
...then they should be exempt from the US emissions laws/processes that are apparently holding our deliveries back.
I don't think that's correct.
Specific to your state: https://delcode.delaware.gov/title6/c050/index.html#5002
I don't see anything under § 5001 that wouldn't apply to Lotus unless they plan on making less than 10 cars.
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Didn't sound correct to me either, but just reporting back what I was told. Either way, not something I want to deal with.
Agreed on all points. I put a small 16Ah lithium battery in my dual duty daily driver/track toy for a few years and it worked great. Cost $415 and only weighed 5lbs! Since it was so small I secured it with zip ties because I was too cheap to pay the extra $200 for the machined aluminum mounting kit at the time.I'm debating between a lithium battery, and a light-weight AGM battery. The advantage of the lithium is of course the extreme light weight, but they're also quite expensive. They're also more susceptible to losing power in the cold, so if you live in an area where there are cold winters (i.e. snow and ice), you'll have to be diligent about keeping it on a tender. The AGM batteries aren't quite as light (although not bad), but they're about half the cost of lithium, and they do much better in cold environments. I guess it depends on where you live.
It seems to be difficult to get specific info about the Platinum battery, but here's the equivalent spec Duralast:
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As you can see, it weighs 46.9 lbs.
Braille Battery makes a Group 8 size LiOn equivalent that weighs only 19.9 lbs, but it's also quite expensive:
Braille I48CS Intensity Carbon Group 48 (Max Power / Capacity) Lithium Battery
The I48CS model is a standard height lithium upgrade for vehicles that are equipped with a Group 48 battery. This model has DOUBLE the power & capacity of the ultra lightweight CE & CX models and all versions have been used in hundreds of Porsche cars ranging from Cayman GT4 to variety of 911...
$1,899 to save 27 lbs seems like a lot. The benefit there would obviously be the weight, but it's also the same size as the factory Emira battery, so it should be a straight swap without fitment issues. They make lithium and AGM batteries that are much less in weight and cost, but you'd have to come up with a mount. I don't know what the battery mount in the Emira looks like, but I'm sure it would be doable. The important spec to look for would be the Ah (amp hours) if you think your car is going to be sitting for days without being run. If you can put your car on a tender each night, you can save a lot of weight on some of the other batteries and the cost is half or less of the cost of the Group 8 size one.
This one for example costs $569.99, weighs 6.4 lbs. but it's smaller (need a way to adapt it to the factory mount) and has just over half the Lithium Amp Hour (Lithium equivalent to AGM Ah) rating at 45.
Braille G30 GreenLite Automotive Lithium Battery
Due to extremely high demand and large orders of our lithium batteries, production lead time is 3-5 business days. We are expanding our production capabilities and will get products out as fast as possible. Thank you for your understanding. At only 6.4 pounds, the GreenLite G30 is an...
Maybe some of the enterprising members here who have access to 3D printing technology can devise an adapter for the Emira. Being able to save 40 lbs with that battery for that price is a pretty good cost per weight-saving value.
For the Emira I'd pay more for a larger capacity in the OEM size. Antigravity has some good 10-16lb options in the correct size for $500-$800. As long as you're in a decent climate they should last 2-3 times longer than lead acid.
Either way, I'm anxious to hear what Lotus' plan is for US bound cars this summer and if they're actually going to be placed in storage for months awaiting certifications. That doesn't make sense for them financially so hopefully they'll just build cars for everyone else during that time to keep the cash flow coming in.
I think Lotus is more deterred by US consumer/lemon laws and more so their media. US Car reviewers and Mag's are tough to impress and hold a lot of weight. Also, more biased towards US and German manufacturers. So yes, I think N/A being last to get delivered Emira F/E's is not an accident or coincidence.
US most particular consumer?.... I dunno, I think selling British cars to Germans or Japanese might be the most stressful as far as consumers go.
Law wise.... def USA. You can sue anyone for anything.
Jethro was a savage in that review wasn't he. LOL.Yeah, and UK EVO magazine was such a cakewalk...(I kid, I kid...
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I think Lotus is more deterred by US consumer/lemon laws and more so their media. US Car reviewers and Mag's are tough to impress and hold a lot of weight. Also, more biased towards US and German manufacturers. So yes, I think N/A being last to get delivered Emira F/E's is not an accident or coincidence.
US most particular consumer?.... I dunno, I think selling British cars to Germans or Japanese might be the most stressful as far as consumers go.
Nah, I think they want to get paid asap and just dropped the ball when it comes to applying for the North America certification in a timely manner. I don't think they've even built any NA models yet.
No. I'm told they're currently working on 100+ i4s then going back to V6s, but none of which are for North American vehicles. I highly doubt we'll see any customer cars in the US this year.
yes your probably right lol
Yeah Lotus will start producing them in May 2024.
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