Blackthought_
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Anyone here track their Emira? If so, did you track the car 100% stock or did you upgrade parts? Particularly interested if you changed out the brake fluid, pads, tires, etc.
Who here has tracked their Emira?
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I have the same with Castrol SFR, I just find the couple perfect, yesterday a Trackday at Monza, where brakes are under heavy HEAVY stress, today at Mugello and no signs whatsoever of minor performances or even worst fade!
Or most probably I’m such a pussy at the track that I do not put them under enough work!!!!!
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Good morning and good luck tracking today on the Nitrons! We all can’t wait to hear your feedback.
I put some feedback and a track video here:
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On the road, the ride is harsh, but not horrible. On the track, it makes the car wake up. I no longer regret selling my Elise after this suspension upgrade.
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@OppositeLock are you still on the stock oil pan? Yes. Is there a reason to change it?
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On the road, the ride is harsh, but not horrible. On the track, it makes the car wake up. I no longer regret selling my Elise after this suspension upgrade.
Tracked my emira for the first time, just past the break in period. Ran 3 X 20 mins sessions, by the 4th one I notice the driver side pads has 2-3mm left on one end and 5-6mm on other end they are completely wedged from uneven wear. The other side is at about 5mm even on the pad… I know the OE pads suck, but do anyone notice uneven wear? Running stock fluid.
Brake pads rarely wear completely evenly on the track - the leading edge tends to go quicker, and yes, the OEM pads are no good for tracking. Try some EBC RP-1. They're quite good, and not too bad on the street, no major squeaking, just occasional reminders that they're track pads.
Mine wear unevenly too, but not too badly. My Elise pads wore unevenly as well, as did the ones in my Focus RS. I just assumed it's normal.
trackday14
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I switched to EBC yellow pads for this season…last year, the OEM pads threw chunks of pad material. The EBC yellows seem to be wearing evenly (enough) for having done 2 track days so far this season.
I'm not giving up on the Emira for the track yet. But I did get a 2014 Porsche Cayman for a second track car to use this summer in Chicago. The Emira is in Miami.
On the Emira, I now have Ferodo 1.11s on the front with Rotora rotors from EBC. Then Rotora H8s on the back. I ran this setup twice. Once was after the rain at Sebring, so it was basically a break in day. Then a day at homestead in the extreme heat, with new tires. I'm running Continental Extreme Contact Force semi slicks. Those are 200 TW endurance tires. I started with those to get better wear with the poor camber available on the Emira. I just watched a video that they give up over a second on an under 2 minute track. I don't care though, because my buddy can hop in the Emira, with my added weight, and beat my best time by 2 seconds. He says that's taking it easy. He is good. Says the tires feel super sticky and the car is overall is solid.
I ran the cars on back to back days two weeks ago. The Cayman is so much more forgiving. Part because of the PDK, sure. But even with a basic suspension, it just engages better. IMO, it feels like both the front and back tires both engage on the turns. On my first day in the Cayman, I'm within one second of my best in the Emira, with a less powerful car. Plus that best was when it wasn't so hot. The brakes in the Cayman feel a bit better, Pagid Yellow RSL29s. They are much bigger, so it makes sense.
I'm going out with (hopefully) both cars next Saturday.
On the Emira, I now have Ferodo 1.11s on the front with Rotora rotors from EBC. Then Rotora H8s on the back. I ran this setup twice. Once was after the rain at Sebring, so it was basically a break in day. Then a day at homestead in the extreme heat, with new tires. I'm running Continental Extreme Contact Force semi slicks. Those are 200 TW endurance tires. I started with those to get better wear with the poor camber available on the Emira. I just watched a video that they give up over a second on an under 2 minute track. I don't care though, because my buddy can hop in the Emira, with my added weight, and beat my best time by 2 seconds. He says that's taking it easy. He is good. Says the tires feel super sticky and the car is overall is solid.
I ran the cars on back to back days two weeks ago. The Cayman is so much more forgiving. Part because of the PDK, sure. But even with a basic suspension, it just engages better. IMO, it feels like both the front and back tires both engage on the turns. On my first day in the Cayman, I'm within one second of my best in the Emira, with a less powerful car. Plus that best was when it wasn't so hot. The brakes in the Cayman feel a bit better, Pagid Yellow RSL29s. They are much bigger, so it makes sense.
I'm going out with (hopefully) both cars next Saturday.
keen to hear more about those 1.11.
for @Neb , the uneven pad wear and taper has a lot of potential contributing factors but ultimately its not uncommon to have a pad that can hold up - relatively speaking - but wear fast and unevenly. the BRZ and GR Corolla and GR Supra are cars that I have experience with and a lot of online information about which exhibit similar characteristics in stock form to a beginner > intermediate track driver.
I used EBC blues and the wear was fairly even but even so they wore a few MM in just one event. There were some other behaviors of that pad I am not a fan of too.
Thanks for reassuring that it’s normal common. I am just surprised the other front had a lot of pad left and wore evenly. I don’t plan to track the emira regularly since I have a 981 cayman S track car, and have never had uneven pad wear. Overall, I am very impressed with the Emira, great ability to turn in, good front end grip, just wish it had a higher redline, better brakes and more camber.
Lap time in the emira is about 4 sec slower.
I will use the emira mostly on the street, so I ordered some hawk ceramic for less dust and initial bite.
Lap time in the emira is about 4 sec slower.
I will use the emira mostly on the street, so I ordered some hawk ceramic for less dust and initial bite.
A bit off-topic, but does anyone have a "track-specific" alignment? I'm currently on Nitron R1 and trying to find a perfect alignment on the stock wheel setup (Touring), so with the Eagle F1 for now, till I order a set of Nankang CR-S.
A "track specific" alignment means maxing out your camber. I managed about -1.5 degrees in front and about -2 degrees in rear. The front camber seems sufficient, but the rear is definitely not enough, and it'll need some aftermarket A-arms to dial in properly.
You'll find that you're shredding the outsides of your rear tires if you push hard.
You'll find that you're shredding the outsides of your rear tires if you push hard.
Blackthought_
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What’s are good specs for spirted driving with the occasional track day? Or is stock sufficient? Not trying to rip my tires apart but looking to see if I could make the front a bit more responsive
Stock is perfectly sufficient for what you describe.
Thanks for the input, I might try to go this route with -1.5 degrees in the front and -2 degrees in the rear. Do you know anyone who makes an aftermarket A-arm, just to get maybe .5 degrees in the rear? Also, should I upgrade the toe link? I know on my old Elise I upgraded the rear toe link since it was a weak point and to add a bit more adjustments, not sure if the Emira have the same outcome.
I don't know of any aftermarket A-arms yet.
I'm also slightly lowered on Nitrons (no choice but to lower with them), so maybe you can get a little more camber with stock, but I'm not sure. For track, just go max camber, whatever is possible.
AFAIK, these cars don't have a toe link issue.
I'm also slightly lowered on Nitrons (no choice but to lower with them), so maybe you can get a little more camber with stock, but I'm not sure. For track, just go max camber, whatever is possible.
AFAIK, these cars don't have a toe link issue.
Since you have coils you have far more adjustability than the standard alignment, and interestingly, the emira service manual has different suspension specs for Eagle F1 vs PSC2's.
For the Eagle F1's. Set tire pressures, have half a tank of gas, I use driver weight then you're going to want to set desired camber, ride height, fine tune for corner balance, then toe. Specs for your tire below.
Front Toe (per side):
Front Camber (v6):
Rear Toe (per side):
Rear Camber (v6):
Some modifications to consider.
a. You want to add more negative camber where you can. Better tires than the eagles will take it.
b. Toe settings change for grippier tires and make a huge difference. Front needs to go near neutral or the tires will fight each other
c. Ride height you can set as low as you want, but you should preserve the rake angle from stock or you'll mess with aero of the car
d. Changes to ride height will mess up the rest of your settings. Recheck everything at new ride heights.
You can VERY drastically change the feel of the car with a proper alignment and dialing in your coils.
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