Manual shifting improvements

[Nova]

Shots fired! Shots fired!

 

[kitkat]

Yep, you'll need to tighten the loose nut behind the wheel. 😜

Seriously, i’ll do the rev matching thank you very much.

 

[Eagle7]

THE master at work.....

 

[Nova]

I thought the rule is smooth-on smooth-off rather than jabbing at the throttle like that mid-corner, which causes weight shift and traction loss at the rear wheel, leading to bad outcomes?

Edit: or is this the flip side of anti-lock-braking, anti-skid-accelerating? Kind of a rudimentary traction control? With the delay and smoothing algorithms of modern electronic throttle, I wonder if this is even possible any more.

 

[Cutting42]

I thought the rule is smooth-on smooth-off rather than jabbing at the throttle like that mid-corner, which causes weight shift and traction loss at the rear wheel, leading to bad outcomes?

Edit: or is this the flip side of anti-lock-braking, anti-skid-accelerating? Kind of a rudimentary traction control? With the delay and smoothing algorithms of modern electronic throttle, I wonder if this is even possible any more.

That was a Senna thing, several references to it out there, very odd and hard to see how it worked but he certainly made it work for him.

Interesting analysis here

 

[Eagle7]

One of the reasons why Senna was so fast was he came up with the technique of blipping the throttle during cornering to keep the turbo spooled up so it was still on boost when he was exiting a corner. What he's doing in that video as far as throttle blip would only work on a turbo car with manual transmission. The supercharged V6 Emira probably wouldn't benefit much from that, although I plan on trying a few things once I get mine to see where the sweet spot is.

 

[Nova]

He could also just be f-ing with us knowing that it is being recorded.

 

[Cutting42]

One of the reasons why Senna was so fast was he came up with the technique of blipping the throttle during cornering to keep the turbo spooled up so it was still on boost when he was exiting a corner. What he's doing in that video as far as throttle blip would only work on a turbo car with manual transmission. The supercharged V6 Emira probably wouldn't benefit much from that, although I plan on trying a few things once I get mine to see where the sweet spot is.

Nope, he did it in his earliest years in Karting and in atmo cars long before he got into a turbo. It is his technique and it probably had benefits in turbos but that is not why he developed it.

 

[Eagle7]

That was a Senna thing, several references to it out there, very odd and hard to see how it worked but he certainly made it work for him.

Interesting analysis here

Something else that happens with Senna's throttle blip technique is it keeps you a bit higher in the the torque curve so you would have slightly more torque coming out of a corner. He was a master at figuring out how to get performance out of a car in small ways, and in racing, those small ways often were the difference between where you placed or even winning or losing.

 

[Eagle7]

Nope, he did it in his earliest years in Karting and in atmo cars long before he got into a turbo. It is his technique and it probably had benefits in turbos but that is not why he developed it.

It worked in karts because you don't have much torque coming out of a corner. I drove karts in my younger years and you could easily get bogged down and lose momentum. Though he was in much more powerful cars later on, he still basically drove as a momentum driver, just at a higher level.

 

[Adam Brouillard]

How Ayrton Senna used the throttle to TEST for the limits of grip – Paradigm Shift Driver Development

How Ayrton Senna used the throttle to TEST for the limits of grip

www.paradigmshiftracing.com

 

[Bilbao-Emira]

Sorry if I put no technical skills on this thread.
But reality is he did not apply any special technique.
He was only the best to interact with the machine and make it run like nobody ever did.
The rest, how would he do with the actual F1 cars, who knows, unfortunately.
Whoever can say knows from a computer that it is a better way to win races, please go ahead and prove it consistently on track against any of the 20 F1 drivers.
Analysis makes sense, but racing is a little bit more of adrenaline.

SENNA FOREVER 🥂

 

[Eagle7]

Sorry if I put no technical skills on this thread.
But reality is he did not apply any special technique.
He was only the best to interact with the machine and make it run like nobody ever did.
The rest, how would he do with the actual F1 cars, who knows, unfortunately.
Whoever can say knows from a computer that it is a better way to win races, please go ahead and prove it consistently on track against any of the 20 F1 drivers.
Analysis makes sense, but racing is a little bit more of adrenaline.

SENNA FOREVER 🥂

Him being "the best to interact with the machine and make it run like nobody ever did" is pretty much what you would call a "special technique". You do know he was a Lotus driver in F1 and won races in F1 don't you?

 

[Bilbao-Emira]

Him being "the best to interact with the machine and make it run like nobody ever did" is pretty much what you would call a "special technique". You do know he was a Lotus driver in F1 and won races in F1 don't you?

Sorry, I didn't´explain myself well. of course, to me he was the best ever

 

[finny76]

So you have fitted the short shift adapter?

Where can you get one from?

 

[Time2Fly]

Where can you get one from?

@Aerie sells them.

 

[crashprash]

Coming from a Honda, the manual shift in the Emira feels lacking - not as buttery smooth, notchy, reverse is a pain to get into etc. In the past I've improved manual shifting feel by changing the shifter cable, inserts and ends along with stiffer engine mount inserts. I am wondering if the below mods would have the same effect? Anyone done something similar?

Powerflex - Performance Polyurethane Bushes

www.powerflex.co.uk

Short Shift Adaptor

Upgrade your Lotus Emira V6 , Exige or Evora with Aerie Performance's short shift adaptors for a more responsive and snappy shift between gears. Our adaptors are designed with true engineering principles inspired by motorsports and rally experiences, and are made from high-strength CNC-machined...

aerieperformance.com

I've ordered both of these so will update once they are fitted

 

[Speedy Emira]

I've ordered both of these so will update once they are fitted

It would be handy if you fitted the short shift first and said how that made it feel on its own.

 

[crashprash]

It would be handy if you fitted the short shift first and said how that made it feel on its own.

This would be my preferred option but it's a lot cheaper and more convenient to get both (plus a bunch of other stuff fitted at the same time)

 

[Speedy Emira]

This would be my preferred option but it's a lot cheaper and more convenient to get both (plus a bunch of other stuff fitted at the same time)

That makes sense. What else have you got planned?