JUBU and other topics, a combo thread

[hellasf1]

Yea I’m the one that started the group buy for JUBU and there were a few people that had bad experiences but I think it amazing that a few bad experience and you have people saying the JUBU people need a support group lol. This shit is funny to see how people come out the woods to hate on a company they just “heard” something about and it’s all bad.

There are people who have had a bad experience with other venders on this forum I won’t name them but it’s over looked bc hey they sell cheaper parts and no one going to really complain if it’s not that expensive.

Plenty of people have had a great experience and they did make it right for everyone including the people still complaining.

Some people on here are clowns idk how to say it nicely anymore. The same ones that argued that the Emira was fast enough bc the only power upgrade options were above their budget or what they wanted to spend. Then JB4 comes out and everyone and their mother jumping on it impatient for deliveries. Can’t make this shit up it’s facts that we have all witnessed. Unless you’re one of the clowns that is and then you won’t really see much other than your own opinion.

That said, JUBU communication sometimes is not the best like that example above but that’s not to say they don’t have a reason. Also emails can come off as abrasive with them bc their English isn’t the best. I noticed this as when they were in person still English isn’t their best but you can tell the genuine behind the words. Hard to explain but hopefully you get my point. They share what they want, It’s their business. I’ve meet these guys in person and they are humble great people. Like I said they drive normal cars low cost family cars no joke! They are not “taking people for their money” they are not rich. They run a business doing what they love to do and they have family’s they want to provide for and pass down the business. Including they are not willing to cover certain cost bc it comes out of their profit.

Forums are full of ignorant people. Money doesn’t buy skill or practical education.

JUBU makes the best parts for our cars hands down. The quality and craftsmanship is second to none. Buy some and see for yourself or don’t and keep complaining.

 

[kitkat]

I think we also had an engine failure on one of the Jubu US tour Syvecs installs.

He just installed a new motor.

I wish Jubu was a more trustworthy specialist for me because I theoretically like a lot of their products but I keep talking to more jubu customers and they tell me to stay the hell away.

 

[hellasf1]

I think we also had an engine failure on one of the Jubu US tour Syvecs installs.

He just installed a new motor.

I wish Jubu was a more trustworthy specialist for me because I theoretically like a lot of their products but I keep talking to more jubu customers and they tell me to stay the hell away.

Highly doubt this is JUBU ECU alone to blame. We know these are not strong platforms or depending on what day of the week you ask that question on this forum.

But good thing it was a new ECU not a piggy back bc they replaced it under warranty is my guess.

I guess will see what happens with other tunes that add more PSI if that will be an issue or not but then again motors have gone with no tuning.

 

[mikemc]

Forums are full of ignorant people. Money doesn’t buy skill or practical education.

JUBU makes the best parts for our cars hands down. The quality and craftsmanship is second to none. Buy some and see for yourself or don’t and keep complaining.

Highly doubt this is JUBU ECU alone to blame. We know these are not strong platforms or depending on what day of the week you ask that question on this forum.

But good thing it was a new ECU not a piggy back bc they replaced it under warranty is my guess.

I guess will see what happens with other tunes that add more PSI if that will be an issue or not but then again motors have gone with no tuning.

I don't know if your post was directed at me... But I am one of the most knowledgeable people on this forum (and probably the whole Lotus community) on the Lotus V6 cars.

Marc (Frankenstein Motorworks), Merry Frankster, and Peter Zeeile are likely the most knowledgeable people on the planet about the 2GR and its variations (more so than Toyota's own engineers) and I talk to at least one of them nearly daily. The 2GR is an extremely strong platform, the EA60 is capable, and the U660E has some issues but can be addressed up to a point.

I own JUBU products, I've seen many of their products that I don't own, and I have experience with non-JUBU products as well. They're not "second to none" by any means. I will give credit where it is due that their Aero is very very impressive and well designed for a street car.

As I've already called out details on why MANY of their performance parts are not "the best parts." I also call out Mat Wilson's VF claims all over facebook, and mention MWRs markups on oem toyota parts from other engines or their rocker claims. Komotech stays off the radar mostly because they don't push boundaries, compete in Lotus Cup and ACTUALLY have a partnership with Lotus. But even they have some non-sense, particularly about the automatics and their air intake. I've also called our some things about Greg's products (mainly intake and splitters). It's not JUBU hate, it's actually analyzing products, performance, and company communication/customer service. EDIT: also forgot to put AERIE on the list for exploding exhausts, inaccurate timelines for wheels/CF, etc.

 

[kitkat]

Highly doubt this is JUBU ECU alone to blame. We know these are not strong platforms or depending on what day of the week you ask that question on this forum.

But good thing it was a new ECU not a piggy back bc they replaced it under warranty is my guess.

I guess will see what happens with other tunes that add more PSI if that will be an issue or not but then again motors have gone with no tuning.

Thankfully I've got no skin in this game -- I just know what happened to this specific instance. Unfortunately your assumptions about the situation are incorrect. If the owner wants to come forward and provide details they can, that's not my place to do so.

 

[Type131]

I did not have a good experience with JUBU - I was involved in the first group buy for the JUBU ECU.

 

[Tomwa]

We know these are not strong platforms

Really not sure what you mean by that or where this sentiment is coming from.

Axles? sure, unusually prone to shear. Seems to be an Emira only problem which means it's likely a supplier issue and won't be for all Emiras produced in all years.

Engine? Rock solid. I would put the 2GR up against a K20, a LS, and may be skirting on a JZ in terms of reliable ability to make good power. All those engines CAN have problems but not compared to their contemporaries. I would still put it behind 4G63 and VR38 though.

Easily this 'platform' outranks EJ, SR, RB, and many many other engines.

 

[hellasf1]

I don't know if your post was directed at me... But I am one of the most knowledgeable people on this forum (and probably the whole Lotus community) on the Lotus V6 cars.

Marc (Frankenstein Motorworks), Merry Frankster, and Peter Zeeile are likely the most knowledgeable people on the planet about the 2GR and its variations (more so than Toyota's own engineers) and I talk to at least one of them nearly daily. The 2GR is an extremely strong platform, the EA60 is capable, and the U660E has some issues but can be addressed up to a point.

I own JUBU products, I've seen many of their products that I don't own, and I have experience with non-JUBU products as well. They're not "second to none" by any means. I will give credit where it is due that their Aero is very very impressive and well designed for a street car.

As I've already called out details on why MANY of their performance parts are not "the best parts." I also call out Mat Wilson's VF claims all over facebook, and mention MWRs markups on oem toyota parts from other engines or their rocker claims. Komotech stays off the radar mostly because they don't push boundaries, compete in Lotus Cup and ACTUALLY have a partnership with Lotus. But even they have some non-sense, particularly about the automatics and their air intake. I've also called our some things about Greg's products (mainly intake and splitters). It's not JUBU hate, it's actually analyzing products, performance, and company communication/customer service. EDIT: also forgot to put AERIE on the list for exploding exhausts, inaccurate timelines for wheels/CF, etc.

Not directed at you just a general observation I’ve seen.

I can only share my experience with the quality and parts I have gotten.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion or where they choose to spend their money on.

 

[hellasf1]

Really not sure what you mean by that or where this sentiment is coming from.

Axles? sure, unusually prone to shear. Seems to be an Emira only problem which means it's likely a supplier issue and won't be for all Emiras produced in all years.

Engine? Rock solid. I would put the 2GR up against a K20, a LS, and may be skirting on a JZ in terms of reliable ability to make good power. All those engines CAN have problems but not compared to their contemporaries. I would still put it behind 4G63 and VR38 though.

Easily this 'platform' outranks EJ, SR, RB, and many many other engines.

I guess it depends on who you talk to.

People have had engine problems with stock, JUBU and I’m assuming sooner or later JB4 and other power options to follow.

It’s no S58 ready to add on power from the factory. Shit you can get a tune from BMW with a warranty with carbahn and be at 700 hp. That’s a strong platform, that what I mean.

 

[crashprash]

• Charge Cooling Hose upgrade kit.... they're just silicon hoses, no tangible benefit, they look shiny.

Isn't this what Lotus changed on the newer models? It's supposed to change the flow route as well

 

[hellasf1]

Thankfully I've got no skin in this game -- I just know what happened to this specific instance. Unfortunately your assumptions about the situation are incorrect. If the owner wants to come forward and provide details they can, that's not my place to do so.

Nothing to do with skin in the game. It’s information for others to make decision on what they want to do with their cars.

Clearly the JB4 makes more power than the JUBU 440 according to the dynos from JB4 even thou I think others have had less power outputs than advertised. Needless to say if that is the case then there will be more engine failures.

But we can’t always assume this was bc a 40 hp JUBU tune. There was a 460 JUBU in Europe that had engine failure. It was only used on track but that wasn’t the issue, the issue was they ran with the values closed at all times with the controller based on noise restrictions. JUBU advised them that puts lots of stress on the engine and sure enough it broke after I believe 4 race days.

My point is we will see more issues come up and not from JUBU only but we won’t hear those stories as much as “top cost” JUBU.

With that said, I truly hope no one runs into any issues with who ever they choose to do business with and we can enjoy our cars in peace.

 

[hellasf1]

• JUBU Cooling upgrade is just a lighterweight pulley and lower opening thermostat (this is a toyota part) which will get you 1-2 cooler laps on a track day, zero street benefit.

where do you get your information from? You said you’re one of the most knowledgeable people on the Lotus community. Starting to question statements like this.

I have the JUBU cooling kit and my engine opp beating on it on the street stays at 173-175. Everyone else who doesn’t have the cooling kit is at 200 degrees typically. Lots of street benefits and track benefits. And I just have the street/race version I didn’t do the track one as we do get some cooler weather in the upper 30s to lower 40s

 

[kitkat]

Nothing to do with skin in the game. It’s information for others to make decision on what they want to do with their cars.

Clearly the JB4 makes more power than the JUBU 440 according to the dynos from JB4 even thou I think others have had less power outputs than advertised. Needless to say if that is the case then there will be more engine failures.

But we can’t always assume this was bc a 40 hp JUBU tune. There was a 460 JUBU in Europe that had engine failure. It was only used on track but that wasn’t the issue, the issue was they ran with the values closed at all times with the controller based on noise restrictions. JUBU advised them that puts lots of stress on the engine and sure enough it broke after I believe 4 race days.

My point is we will see more issues come up and not from JUBU only but we won’t hear those stories as much as “top cost” JUBU.

With that said, I truly hope no one runs into any issues with who ever they choose to do business with and we can enjoy our cars in peace.

You know for being mr everyone should make their own mind up about Jubu — you sure are quick to dismiss any and all criticism. I’m not sure why you’re acting as their front line of defense but if Jubu cared they’d have treated their customers better.

 

[hellasf1]

You know for being mr everyone should make their own mind up about Jubu — you sure are quick to dismiss any and all criticism. I’m not sure why you’re acting as their front line of defense but if Jubu cared they’d have treated their customers better.

And for Mr no skin in the game you’re sure to go in every group chat and share your poor feedback. 2 sides to this KitKat.

It’s funny when things have broken with other vendors how quickly people blame.

All I am saying we are taking a handful of bad experiences and blowing it up like every person has issues with JUBU. It’s a joke and not true. People come out the woodworks to throw jabs at JUBU. lol

I haven’t dismissed criticism, I posted lots of stuff from our first group buy and yes was not a great an experience but they made it right and fixed the problem. Criticism is no problem. I don’t care who buys JUBU or not just sharing my facts. The forum is like major news channels, blowing stories up so big people get a false image of what’s really real.

 

[sbproducer]

You know for being mr everyone should make their own mind up about Jubu — you sure are quick to dismiss any and all criticism. I’m not sure why you’re acting as their front line of defense but if Jubu cared they’d have treated their customers better.

Just being objective .. he didn't dismiss all criticism. He to the contrary, acknowledged JUBU made some mistakes in the beginning and that some people had bad experiences but that JUBU worked to solve the issues and most of them were resolved.

ON THE OTHER HAND <-- MAJOR EMPHASIS HERE ......... do I really have to finish this sentence...

 

[sbproducer]

Just to calm things down a bit.

There does seem to be some legitimate concern from forum members about JUBU customer service and product offering. I think it's a bit exaggerated and sometimes downright misplaced. But, I do respect the fact that there are some concerns here.

In fairness, I do think that the same level of criticism isn't being spread fairly to all vendors and even the Lotus brand itself due to some favoritism issues.

That being said, I haven't myself gone through the process with JUBU yet. I think they have one of the best offerings currently available and I've decided to take the gamble. I'll do my best to help them help me and hopefully things will go smoothly. I will report back with an unbiased review of my experience with them to try to bring some more insight to the community.

And that's really it...

As far as other vendors,

I've had a really good experience with GRP. I've bought several of their products and will continue to do so if new products are released that I like.

I've also purchased a part from Aerie Performance, and though it's not installed yet, the shipping was exceptional. And so were reviews of the product.

My brief experience with JB4 and Darkworks Design was also outstanding. And as I've mentioned in another post, I think the JB4 piggyback tune is a genius product, deserves praise, and should continue to have a space in the market for enthusiasts. I did express concerns that, in my opinion, the JB4, especially the higher maps, should be used with caution because of the strain it will cause on some stock powertrain/drivetrain parts and will probably reduce longevity. It's just my way of trying to protect the interests of the community. That's all. If you don't agree with me.. it's fine.

EDIT: And don't forget.. We're all George. We're all slightly advanced apes lucky enough to have a nice car to play with.