JUBU and other topics, a combo thread

[Steve24]

Just saying, I’m seeing some pretty jingoistic posts in this thread.

Hard to believe for some, but there are people in other parts of the world beyond your own who also know what they’re doing.

I’ll judge JUBU and anyone else I choose to deal with by my own experiences, thanks.

 

[seriously]

Probably because you didn't know they exist. Reach out to Kevin (owner). They're backlogged for builds right now as far as I know though.

They just expanded to a much larger shop so hopefully some more headroom soon.

Their post recent major project:

On a side note, that car looks like a handful! Driving a massively boosted mid engined car is not for the faint of heart.

 

[SaudiStig]

Good discussion. Here is my take on this from slightly different prospective.
People tend to support their choices and decisions which is normal to see, and I 'm no different. And that's the beauty of the forums. At the end everyone is entitled to make his own decision, the way he feels best.

Being far away from US and Europe, things can get challenging here when it comes to resourcing parts and/or services.
While we have some decent local shops and engine builders etc, for me it is better to get beyond the try and error and get something that has already been seen, tested and fixed multiple times. So, the end resulted parts are less likely to fail when I install it.

When it comes to light mods like intake or exhaust, there are plenty choices with some great vendors here, but when it comes to engine builds, it is not that straight forward. Not taking any side, but from where I stand, JUBU seemed to have the best packages available for high power output builds with some serious track activities to back up their parts.

The Alaska situation surely got me worried, but I'm moving forward with the package JUBU530 hoping they have learned a valuable lesson, and I will make sure to focus on the fuel here when it is time to test. This is also why I was really keen to see responses from unhappy customers here and there in the forums with JUBU, it is beneficial as it gives you some idea what is happening and set some of your expectations, regardless of who is wrong or right.

So far things have been really positive with JUBU in terms of communication, ordering parts and running the car with the JUBU460 package. If things go south, I will share that as well. Modding the Emira was my goal before I even got the car, do I expect to have trouble free journey? I will try my best to minimize that, but it will be a journey with ups and downs. Hopefully more ups than downs  .

 

[NJemira85]

Good discussion. Here is my take on this from slightly different prospective.
People tend to support their choices and decisions which is normal to see, and I 'm no different. And that's the beauty of the forums. At the end everyone is entitled to make his own decision, the way he feels best.

Being far away from US and Europe, things can get challenging here when it comes to resourcing parts and/or services.
While we have some decent local shops and engine builders etc, for me it is better to get beyond the try and error and get something that has already been seen, tested and fixed multiple times. So, the end resulted parts are less likely to fail when I install it.

When it comes to light mods like intake or exhaust, there are plenty choices with some great vendors here, but when it comes to engine builds, it is not that straight forward. Not taking any side, but from where I stand, JUBU seemed to have the best packages available for high power output builds with some serious track activities to back up their parts.

The Alaska situation surely got me worried, but I'm moving forward with the package JUBU530 hoping they have learned a valuable lesson, and I will make sure to focus on the fuel here when it is time to test. This is also why I was really keen to see responses from unhappy customers here and there in the forums with JUBU, it is beneficial as it gives you some idea what is happening and set some of your expectations, regardless of who is wrong or right.

So far things have been really positive with JUBU in terms of communication, ordering parts and running the car with the JUBU460 package. If things go south, I will share that as well. Modding the Emira was my goal before I even got the car, do I expect to have trouble free journey? I will try my best to minimize that, but it will be a journey with ups and downs. Hopefully more ups than downs  .

Good luck to you. Would be awesome to hear of a successful outcome by JUBU. You’d have to think it’s possible…

 

[hellasf1]

Good discussion. Here is my take on this from slightly different prospective.
People tend to support their choices and decisions which is normal to see, and I 'm no different. And that's the beauty of the forums. At the end everyone is entitled to make his own decision, the way he feels best.

Being far away from US and Europe, things can get challenging here when it comes to resourcing parts and/or services.
While we have some decent local shops and engine builders etc, for me it is better to get beyond the try and error and get something that has already been seen, tested and fixed multiple times. So, the end resulted parts are less likely to fail when I install it.

When it comes to light mods like intake or exhaust, there are plenty choices with some great vendors here, but when it comes to engine builds, it is not that straight forward. Not taking any side, but from where I stand, JUBU seemed to have the best packages available for high power output builds with some serious track activities to back up their parts.

The Alaska situation surely got me worried, but I'm moving forward with the package JUBU530 hoping they have learned a valuable lesson, and I will make sure to focus on the fuel here when it is time to test. This is also why I was really keen to see responses from unhappy customers here and there in the forums with JUBU, it is beneficial as it gives you some idea what is happening and set some of your expectations, regardless of who is wrong or right.

So far things have been really positive with JUBU in terms of communication, ordering parts and running the car with the JUBU460 package. If things go south, I will share that as well. Modding the Emira was my goal before I even got the car, do I expect to have trouble free journey? I will try my best to minimize that, but it will be a journey with ups and downs. Hopefully more ups than downs  .

Yea it reminds me of the shit show we had with our first group buy. All the cars didn’t run as advertised, it was during their summer break too, so it was perfect storm.

They corrected the problem and it’s been great for me and some others as well. When I went to the 460 a year later first dyno run, perfect no issues. So I think we are good moving forward but will see. So I think when it’s the first there is always risks of issues. I as well plan on the 530 with weight savings, I’m not going 600 CS. I know the 530 has been out longer and they have more customers in Europe with that over the 600 CS.

Again here is to hoping it’s more ups than downs when it’s time to go to the next stage with JUBU.

 

[hellasf1]

I asked JUBU about the Alaska 600 CS.

“No blown engine. The fuel in Alaska is so bad. About 90 octane (including some diesel - worst quality of fuel I have ever seen)

Normal US 91 is comparable with European 95 octane. We use 91 octane fuel (european) and do the mapping for the engine. We know before that can be a risk to us the Alaska fuel but we
I want to try. No additional costs for the customer - we pay for the repair.
Some spark plugs have detonation marks and at one spark plug a pcs of the ceramic insulator is broken out.
We double checked the engine at JUBU HQ and sent it back to Alaska already.

The customer will use VP or Sunoco fuel in the future. Same fuel as in his Porsche GT3RS.”

 

[hellasf1]

So…I have said it and will say it again. As you read anything on here, be careful of the source as it’s not always factual and over exaggerated. The engine did not blow up and they didn’t need to fully rebuild the entire thing as previously mentioned…

It’s funny how I have seen the JBU forum that not a single person has replicated the numbers advertised by Burger, Yet no one is upset bc they are responsive and the product is dirt cheap for what power it produces. So people will choose when to bitch and trash talk and when to support. Just make sure your not the Donkey doing it

Again just be cautious of things you see from any people on this forum who, you don’t know their credibility. Do your own research buy what you want and judge everyone honestly. Cheers

 

[sbproducer]

Thanks for clearing things up on that @hellasf1 . We definitely want facts. That's not a shot at anyone. Just saying facts.. are facts.

To share an update, I've purchased a couple more things from JUBU. Not all this may be necessary for my setup, it's just peace of mind, and most of it isn't too hard on the wallet. The one piece that I want from JUBU that I'm really on the fence about is the HD Motorsport Driveshaft System. When all is said and done it will run close to $7000 without installation and that is a lot of opportunity cost, especially considering what I've put into this car already. But believe me, I wouldn't be spending all this money if I didn't think the V6 Emira was a great place to start and a car that I plan on keeping for the long run. The end product should be much more in line with what I had envisioned when I bought the car and hopefully safer and more durable. I like to push to envelope and that little bit of peace of mind can go along way.

I'm sticking with the JUBU 440 to 460 plan. I don't plan on upgrading internals. I'm not a track rat and 460 hp plus the excellent torque curve provided by the tune is probably enough for me and the roads. And there is probably much less of a risk for hiccups. Upgrading internals always comes with a bigger risk. I'll admire those who go for it, but for me.. I'm a calculated risk taking safe player, if that makes sense. My first shipment should arrive in roughly two weeks. I've already contacted my installer with a parts list so they can start planning as well. As promised, JUBU is preparing the Super B Andrena battery mounting bracket and it will ship with everything else.

List

JUBU 440 Kit (Already in my hands but I may get this one done separately with dynos, which I will provide for the forum)
Super B Andrena 12V25AH (the mounting bracket is on the way.. apparently its not just a bracket)
Acer Titanium Lug Bolts
Hawk Z Ceramic Pads
GRP Custom Steering Wheel (this one and the buttons will be done later.. shipping from China.. may take a year or two..)
Powerflex Trans Mount Bushings
JUBU Cooling Upgrade 2GR
JUBU Cooling Hose Upgrade Kit
JUBU Pulley Upgrade Kit
JUBU Aluminum Alternator Pulley
JUBU Torque Insulator Upgrade Kit (nervous about these.. definitely not taking the powertrain out but some lifting of the rear clam)
Lotus Baffled Oil Pan
JUBU Aluminum Flaps
JUBU Upgraded Toe Links (safety first)
Aerie Short Shift Adapter (I have the GRP and absolutely love them... truly.. but I want to try them for science)
GRP Radium Catch Can Kit
Milltek Valve Controller V2 (I caved in here realizing I'm probably going with the Valvetronic Exhaust and don't want Lotus recalibration cost)

Timeline

Probably land a review in about Late September.

 

[hellasf1]

Thanks for clearing things up on that @hellasf1 . We definitely want facts. That's not a shot at anyone. Just saying facts.. are facts.

To share an update, I've purchased a couple more things from JUBU. Not all this may be necessary for my setup, it's just peace of mind, and most of it isn't too hard on the wallet. The one piece that I want from JUBU that I'm really on the fence about is the HD Motorsport Driveshaft System. When all is said and done it will run close to $7000 without installation and that is a lot of opportunity cost, especially considering what I've put into this car already. But believe me, I wouldn't be spending all this money if I didn't think the V6 Emira was a great place to start and a car that I plan on keeping for the long run. The end product should be much more in line with what I had envisioned when I bought the car and hopefully safer and more durable. I like to push to envelope and that little bit of peace of mind can go along way.

I'm sticking with the JUBU 440 to 460 plan. I don't plan on upgrading internals. I'm not a track rat and 460 hp plus the excellent torque curve provided by the tune is probably enough for me and the roads. And there is probably much less of a risk for hiccups. Upgrading internals always comes with a bigger risk. I'll admire those who go for it, but for me.. I'm a calculated risk taking safe player, if that makes sense. My first shipment should arrive in roughly two weeks. I've already contacted my installer with a parts list so they can start planning as well. As promised, JUBU is preparing the Super B Andrena battery mounting bracket and it will ship with everything else.

List

JUBU 440 Kit (Already in my hands but I may get this one done separately with dynos, which I will provide for the forum)
Super B Andrena 12V25AH (the mounting bracket is on the way.. apparently its not just a bracket)
Acer Titanium Lug Bolts
Hawk Z Ceramic Pads
GRP Custom Steering Wheel (this one and the buttons will be done later.. shipping from China.. may take a year or two..)
Powerflex Trans Mount Bushings
JUBU Cooling Upgrade 2GR
JUBU Cooling Hose Upgrade Kit
JUBU Pulley Upgrade Kit
JUBU Aluminum Alternator Pulley
JUBU Torque Insulator Upgrade Kit (nervous about these.. definitely not taking the powertrain out but some lifting of the rear clam)
Lotus Baffled Oil Pan
JUBU Aluminum Flaps
JUBU Upgraded Toe Links (safety first)
Aerie Short Shift Adapter (I have the GRP and absolutely love them... truly.. but I want to try them for science)

Timeline

Probably land a review in about Late September.

Keep us posted I’m excited for your feedback on the parts you instal!

I feel the same and have the same idea when I placed my order for the Emira, I knew it was going to be modded.

I really want to do the final drive with the 530 but will see when it’s time. But according to JUBU it’s another level and makes the car feel the way it should with the added power. I don’t mind the longer gears with 7200 but the new 911 GT3 Touring they did that and people have really loved the change from the reviews I’ve seen. Would be nice to test drive the final drive before purchasing.

 

[sbproducer]

Keep us posted I’m excited for your feedback on the parts you instal!

I feel the same and have the same idea when I placed my order for the Emira, I knew it was going to be modded.

I really want to do the final drive with the 530 but will see when it’s time. But according to JUBU it’s another level and makes the car feel the way it should with the added power. I don’t mind the longer gears with 7200 but the new 911 GT3 Touring they did that and people have really loved the change from the reviews I’ve seen. Would be nice to test drive the final drive before purchasing.

I totally agree with the final drive. I think it's a game changer. The gears feel long for me. I don't understand when people say they feel like they need more room up top. I mean, yes, staying longer in the power band is great, but it still feels slightly longer to get there compared to some of the other manuals I've owned. I don't mind the long gearing too much, but I also never plan on doing 175 mph on the freeway unless I'm escaping the apocalypse.

I've done 140mph before on the freeway, when I was in my twenties, in a 2000 Civic Si.. it felt like the other cars were frozen. Would never do that again and certainly don't recommend it. It's straight up Russian roulette with a pistol and an attached shotgun pointed at others.

So, the long gearing seems unnecessary. Maybe with the final drive installed, the 7200 rpm will present itself as more of a necessity. Also, I've only hit the rev limiter once. I can see the rpm band blinking with my peripheral vision and I shift fast.. so it really hasn't been an issue, however, it is jarring, and a soft-limiter is definitely a bonus.

Having said all that, I think the final drive, if it works as intended, would be one of the best sleeper upgrades for the Emira. The problem is there isn't much to find in terms of reviews. Who is gonna be the guinea pig, you or me? In any case, I'll probably go for it sometime next year when all my installs are done and in working order.

 

[mikemc]

I asked JUBU about the Alaska 600 CS.

“No blown engine. The fuel in Alaska is so bad. About 90 octane (including some diesel - worst quality of fuel I have ever seen)

Normal US 91 is comparable with European 95 octane. We use 91 octane fuel (european) and do the mapping for the engine. We know before that can be a risk to us the Alaska fuel but we
I want to try. No additional costs for the customer - we pay for the repair.
Some spark plugs have detonation marks and at one spark plug a pcs of the ceramic insulator is broken out.
We double checked the engine at JUBU HQ and sent it back to Alaska already.

The customer will use VP or Sunoco fuel in the future. Same fuel as in his Porsche GT3RS.”

Learn how an engine works and read between the lines.
Spark plug detonation marks and one literally blew out the ceramic. They ran too hot of plugs, ignored knock while tuning, and this IS an engine detonation. Is it a drastic full blown one? No. But it’s still blowing an engine.
Valves need to be checked and likely re-seated, pistons faces checked and potentially replaced, potentially head damage in the combustion chamber, potentially cylinder wall damage…. They’re not going to disclose what exactly they had to fix.

They fixed their mistake and sent it back this time, sure. Still something that shouldn’t have happened in the first place for “pros”.

Unable to tune for the available gas is hilariously bad. They just admitted to running a 91 octane (with ethanol) tune on 90 e free. What a joke.

 

[NJemira85]

Just saying, I’m seeing some pretty jingoistic posts in this thread.

Hard to believe for some, but there are people in other parts of the world beyond your own who also know what they’re doing.

I’ll judge JUBU and anyone else I choose to deal with by my own experiences, thanks.

I’m curious:

1) in your own words (I.e. connotatively) how would you define “jingoistic”?

2) which posts do you find jingoistic?

 

[sbproducer]

Look the fact if the matter is… JUBU doesnt really have a competitor doing the same thing.. Its just silly. I find it a huge waste of time even entertaining all this.

And, even the greatest players in sports have made huge mistakes in games. And, so have the best companies only to bounce back.

The people on here saying its an embarrassment. They’ve been straight up carried in life or dont have the humility to stay at the top.

 

[sbproducer]

Mistakes are literally the best learning.. the bigger the mistake .. the better you learn. These people calling someone out over a social media post, any good leader will look at it and see the cowardice. Its lame and it signals weakness. If you cant see it … then its you.

I guarantee you 10 years from now the gap will be much wider. Time is the true test. Time shows the truth. Who is phony and who is real.

 

[NJemira85]

Learn how an engine works and read between the lines.
Spark plug detonation marks and one literally blew out the ceramic. They ran too hot of plugs, ignored knock while tuning, and this IS an engine detonation. Is it a drastic full blown one? No. But it’s still blowing an engine.
Valves need to be checked and likely re-seated, pistons faces checked and potentially replaced, potentially head damage in the combustion chamber, potentially cylinder wall damage…. They’re not going to disclose what exactly they had to fix.

They fixed their mistake and sent it back this time, sure. Still something that shouldn’t have happened in the first place for “pros”.

Unable to tune for the available gas is hilariously bad. They just admitted to running a 91 octane (with ethanol) tune on 90 e free. What a joke.

Mike, you’re being unfair. It’s impossible to know what gas you’ll find somewhere until it’s too late. This is the sort of Monday morning quarterbacking that really grinds my gears. You act like someone could just check before hand. Absurd.

I guarantee you 10 years from now the gap will be much wider. Time is the true test. Time shows the truth. Who is phony and who is real.

well said.

The emira has been out for 4+ model years in Europe and is based on a drivetrain about a decade older.

It’s fine to charge $110k, it’s a free world, people can choose how to spend their money. How to define value.

But, if you can’t actually deliver the product, (at any price, let alone 100% of the underlying car cost) maybe keep practicing and refining, so you have a … viable commercial offering.

It doesn’t seem credible or professional to charge $110k for alpha testers.

 

[sbproducer]

Not arguing with anyone really. Just sharing my honest opinion.

I agree that the price is steep, but you don't have to do it. You don't have to buy that $15 pack of cigarettes if you can get it for $7. Anytime you go aftermarket, you take a risk. The guy in Alaska made his choice, he didn't have to.

As far as JUBU, they went for the first-mover advantage and have learned many lessons from it. But in doing so, the community also learned a lot. They are sort of pioneering the Emira serious build market. That takes courage. Not saying that there aren't others but I mean.. can you provide me a link where I can buy parts and go for a serious Emira build that's anything like what JUBU is offering at the moment?

1) I mean Komo-tec has a little something going but...
2) The one that Mike talked about apparently has a line out the door and you have to call them and wait months? They don't have a website? Is it like one dude and his brother in their garage or something?
3) VF Tuner ragequit..
4) Burger is deploying misinformation agents while they sit in a conference room with evil grins saying, "Yessssss .. we're winning." This is obviously a joke.
Like ... okay.

Just my thoughts man.

 

[NJemira85]

Not arguing with anyone really. Just sharing my honest opinion.

I agree that the price is steep, but you don't have to do it. You don't have to buy that $15 pack of cigarettes if you can get it for $7. Anytime you go aftermarket, you take a risk. The guy in Alaska made his choice, he didn't have to.

As far as JUBU, they went for the first-mover advantage and have learned many lessons from it. But in doing so, the community also learned a lot. They are sort of pioneering the Emira serious build market. That takes courage. Not saying that there aren't others but I mean.. can you provide me a link where I can buy parts and go for a serious Emira build that's anything like what JUBU is offering at the moment?

1) I mean Komo-tec has a little something going but...
2) The one that Mike talked about apparently has a line out the door and you have to call them and wait months? They don't have a website? Is it like one dude and his brother in their garage or something?
3) VF Tuner ragequit..
4) Burger is deploying misinformation agents while they sit in a conference room with evil grins saying, "Yessssss .. we're winning." This is obviously a joke.
Like ... okay.

Just my thoughts man.

I feel a lot of this.

The reality is we don’t have good options rn.

Anyone yolo’ing into jubu600 . God bless you, you beautiful bastards. Laika ain’t got nothing on you

We need to build

 

[Porter]

Not arguing with anyone really. Just sharing my honest opinion.

I agree that the price is steep, but you don't have to do it. You don't have to buy that $15 pack of cigarettes if you can get it for $7. Anytime you go aftermarket, you take a risk. The guy in Alaska made his choice, he didn't have to.

As far as JUBU, they went for the first-mover advantage and have learned many lessons from it. But in doing so, the community also learned a lot. They are sort of pioneering the Emira serious build market. That takes courage. Not saying that there aren't others but I mean.. can you provide me a link where I can buy parts and go for a serious Emira build that's anything like what JUBU is offering at the moment?

1) I mean Komo-tec has a little something going but...
2) The one that Mike talked about apparently has a line out the door and you have to call them and wait months? They don't have a website? Is it like one dude and his brother in their garage or something?
3) VF Tuner ragequit..
4) Burger is deploying misinformation agents while they sit in a conference room with evil grins saying, "Yessssss .. we're winning." This is obviously a joke.
Like ... okay.

Just my thoughts man.

Not trying to wade in too far here, because I own none of these products and likely won't in future... but I think you're operating on some massive assumptions.

The Lotus tuning community for this drivetrain is not new. JUBU does not have anything resembling first mover advantage. There are companies both in the US and around the world who have been doing tuning and development on this platform (2GR Lotus) for literally 15 years. And the MR2 community has been wedging the 2GR into those cars for many years before that, in fact that's likely where Lotus got the idea.

There are a number of US based companies that have offered engine build parts and tuning services over that time, including BoE Fabrications, MonkeyWrench Racing, Frankenstein Motorworks, Blackwatch Racing (suspension), and others. In the UK there is a whole ecosystem of great companies doing similar things. In many cases it's the European companies following and expanding on the 2GR development done by scrappy American, British, and Australian tuning shops, not the other way around. The EU-based companies do put a special shine on it, and they have great package-based marketing that gives the impression that they have teams of genius engineering gnomes who do esoteric, arcane magic to cars that is unknowable by the common man. It's a great story, and one that we all want to believe in.

In reality though, building fast cars is an engineering and construction exercise very similar to erecting a building. It's hands-on expertise that matters. Often the most competent people don't have the flashiest websites, because they are busy doing work. But you should be sure, that if a construction company starts erectng a multi-story commercial building and the front half of their framing collapses before they even get the walls up, there are going to be people asking very pointed questions about competency.

Now on the other hand, JUBU makes some really interesting products that look fantastically engineered, particularly their aero components. I am sure they are an earnest company trying to do good work. But that doesn't absolve them from reasonable criticism, or from the healthy skepticism that all of us should employ when considering products that are being marketed in a way that implies special expertise.

I hope that everyone has a good experience owning these cars, modifying these cars, and working with the good vendors that serve this niche market, JUBU included. Maybe let's try to be more collaborative with each other to move the community's knowledge forward, more cautious about vendor claims generally, and kinder to each other, both on the forums and with our vendors. We will all benefit.

 

[sbproducer]

No comment. Just going to update installs going forward.

 

[hellasf1]

Not trying to wade in too far here, because I own none of these products and likely won't in future... but I think you're operating on some massive assumptions.

The Lotus tuning community for this drivetrain is not new. JUBU does not have anything resembling first mover advantage. There are companies both in the US and around the world who have been doing tuning and development on this platform (2GR Lotus) for literally 15 years. And the MR2 community has been wedging the 2GR into those cars for many years before that, in fact that's likely where Lotus got the idea.

There are a number of US based companies that have offered engine build parts and tuning services over that time, including BoE Fabrications, MonkeyWrench Racing, Frankenstein Motorworks, Blackwatch Racing (suspension), and others. In the UK there is a whole ecosystem of great companies doing similar things. In many cases it's the European companies following and expanding on the 2GR development done by scrappy American, British, and Australian tuning shops, not the other way around. The EU-based companies do put a special shine on it, and they have great package-based marketing that gives the impression that they have teams of genius engineering gnomes who do esoteric, arcane magic to cars that is unknowable by the common man. It's a great story, and one that we all want to believe in.

In reality though, building fast cars is an engineering and construction exercise very similar to erecting a building. It's hands-on expertise that matters. Often the most competent people don't have the flashiest websites, because they are busy doing work. But you should be sure, that if a construction company starts erectng a multi-story commercial building and the front half of their framing collapses before they even get the walls up, there are going to be people asking very pointed questions about competency.

Now on the other hand, JUBU makes some really interesting products that look fantastically engineered, particularly their aero components. I am sure they are an earnest company trying to do good work. But that doesn't absolve them from reasonable criticism, or from the healthy skepticism that all of us should employ when considering products that are being marketed in a way that implies special expertise.

I hope that everyone has a good experience owning these cars, modifying these cars, and working with the good vendors that serve this niche market, JUBU included. Maybe let's try to be more collaborative with each other to move the community's knowledge forward, more cautious about vendor claims generally, and kinder to each other, both on the forums and with our vendors. We will all benefit.

I think criticism is fair but from what I’ve seen it’s not fair for some vendors. And that’s not bc I own JUBU parts.

There are clearly members on here who they only come out to jab vendors and repeat things that have already been discussed on other threads. Then the perception is OMG everything JUBU does with every customer is catastrophic. When the same story is repeated in difference forums it’s not new, it’s recycled bs.

Yes their products are expensive. (If it’s too deep for you look elsewhere) I think this is everyone’s problem. So if and when there is a micro fracture problem with JUBU it gets exaggerated.

For example JB4 Posted over 100 whp…and not a single person is close. I knew when I saw it, it was marketing but guess what everyone lost their minds and bought it. Then when it came to seeing their results, they all justify not being upset bc of the cost….Want to judge something fair…judge at face value not of your pockets or money it cost you. Everyone is different and clearly we have many differences on here.

I did the JUBU 460 (which is crank hp) and guess what I got all of what I paid for and more.

Yes we have seen issues with “first” in US and now this 600 CS. But I guarantee you they fix the issue (which according to them they have and already shipped the engine back) and it won’t be repeated for those customers who choose to go with that package, typically. Anything can happen with upgrades!

I might be the first one going with the 530 for example (if no one else does it before me) so yes it’s concerning but I know I am backed by people who care and will make it right. Yes they don’t have the patience for rude people. They are not American and they don’t bend over backyards when people talk to them disrespectfully or try to poke or claim things that are false. If you been in customer service you understand it’s not always the vendor or company at fault, sometimes it’s the person they deal with. Aka a Karen…

I hope everyone has a great experience with whoever they choose to do business with. More than happy to share my experience and others do the same. These cars or upgrades aren’t a 1 size fits all. Pick yours and try to enjoy.