I'm out - the cancellations thread

[TomE]

It feels like they thought they'd be able to offer some flexibility - might have felt immense market pressure in the UK to offer such flexibility considering the fact that the UK buyers are early production "test subjects". One of the perks would be the ability to drive the cars and adjust their specs without being diverted all the way back to the very end of the line. They are finding this very difficult to manage and are therefore giving pushback to those who are wanting to avail themselves of this promised flexibility.

They specifically said there would be flexibility, within some parameters and constraints.

It’s not “pushback”, it’s a broken promise.

To be fair (no offence Tom) at least they seem to be towing one line now.
I'd be slightly aggrieved if Lotus changed their mind yet again and let folk push their deposit back to other models after saying categorically they wouldn't.

Except they consistently told me one set of things (about my options) all the way through the process, until the last minute when they then removed or changed those options.

 

[Grumpy]

Did they rush it, it’s been out being test driven for years, you’d think the team driving the cars would have noticed these issues folks are getting.

That's my point it hasn't been test driven for years. The show car at Goodwood was powered by an electric motor and the running grey car was a handbuilt prototype. They didnt start having access to the VP cars until end of 2021 only 6 months before they said they were going to be delivering customer cars. I have always understood that major companies expect to do testing and final development over two years before production, not 6 months. Add in 'global' expansion, EV work and an new production line and paint shop and an almost impossible task.

 

[lion shf]

I’ve never owned a Lotus so the Emira will (maybe) be my first. I’ve heard driving a Lotus is a raw, visceral and wild experience. So maybe it’s only fitting that Lotus has taken this same route to deal with both it’s customer base and dealer network. If I get nothing more out of my Lotus journey than to experience the passion of this forum’s members then that will suffice. I solute you all on your dedication to the Lotus brand. I only hope Lotus will reciprocate and realize that it’s you people that are truly “the Lotus drivers”.

After getting booted off the C8 forum for the second time in a month I concur about this place

 

[VL3X]

After getting booted off the C8 forum for the second time in a month I concur about this place

Starting too much Emira talk over there?

 

[lion shf]

Lol the oldsters always (I mean every 3 weeks) start a z51 v no z51 pkg argument they get mad when I make fun

 

[Porter]

Lol the oldsters always (I mean every 3 weeks) start a z51 v no z51 pkg argument they get mad when I make fun

To be fair, striped tube socks tend to chafe when your middle-aged cankles are that big. No amount of New Balance comfort can compensate.

 

[lion shf]

I do love the c8 LOVE IT but I’d be without community and i won’t have that

 

[CarGuy07]

I pinged the sales guys asking whether deferring means down the line or back of the line. Haven’t heard back yet. If they come back with the latter, I’m canceling. Would rather get the car with next model year for the bugs to be worked out, especially since I didn’t make FE batch anyway.

 

[spice]

First edition is to be renamed the Lotus Stigma .

 

[CarGuy07]

Still haven’t heard back from dealer. It’s not hard to simply say “let me check with Lotus and get back to you.” Yet I got nothing. Lol

I’ll give it another week until next Wednesday. If no reply by then, I’ll send a follow up text and email (two different people) requesting a refund.

 

[Boombang]

I’ve never owned a Lotus so the Emira will (maybe) be my first. I’ve heard driving a Lotus is a raw, visceral and wild experience.

To manage your expectations the Emira is at best one of those three and realistically none.

The closest to rawness was in my view lack of refinement (wind, road and clutch noise).

Visceral? Not sure, for me driving the car was more instinctive, nothing bar clutch felt 'wrong' or needed conscious input.

As for being wild, that would only happen I was having to return to dealer for fixing issues that weren't there or using a laptop to start the car. It's a pussy cat (edit to note that being a pussy cat isn't a bad thing in a car used daily nor for touring, it's not even a bad thing if when you use it as a 'true' sports car I comes alive - with a crappy route and cold/wet test drive I couldn't explore that, but Harry certainly thinks so - not that I personally agree with his views of the car, not think he is being 100% transparent and honest in his reviews).

 

[Tonyshepp]

So I've had confirmation from Lotus - I had my checkout email before xmas and wanted to be put on the I4 FE queue.

They have told me its a case of take it or leave it. -id have to put a new deposit on an I4 and go to the back of the Q.

I have till tomorrow to decide on receiving my car or getting my deposit back.

 

[emiralust]

So I've had confirmation from Lotus - I had my checkout email before xmas and wanted to be put on the I4 FE queue.

They have told me its a case of take it or leave it. -id have to put a new deposit on an I4 and go to the back of the Q.

I have till tomorrow to decide on receiving my car or getting my deposit back.

Take the car then put a deposit in for the I4. When the I4 comes around you can have your pick

 

[Toomanyloti]

To manage your expectations the Emira is at best one of those three and realistically none.

The closest to rawness was in my view lack of refinement (wind, road and clutch noise).

Visceral? Not sure, for me driving the car was more instinctive, nothing bar clutch felt 'wrong' or needed conscious input.

As for being wild, that would only happen I was having to return to dealer for fixing issues that weren't there or using a laptop to start the car. It's a pussy cat (edit to note that being a pussy cat isn't a bad thing in a car used daily nor for touring, it's not even a bad thing if when you use it as a 'true' sports car I comes alive - with a crappy route and cold/wet test drive I couldn't explore that, but Harry certainly thinks so - not that I personally agree with his views of the car, not think he is being 100% transparent and honest in his reviews).

what he said
Nailed on
Its not a Lotus like you might think it is ie...anything which came before

 

[Lotus64]

To manage your expectations the Emira is at best one of those three and realistically none.

The closest to rawness was in my view lack of refinement (wind, road and clutch noise).

Visceral? Not sure, for me driving the car was more instinctive, nothing bar clutch felt 'wrong' or needed conscious input.

As for being wild, that would only happen I was having to return to dealer for fixing issues that weren't there or using a laptop to start the car. It's a pussy cat (edit to note that being a pussy cat isn't a bad thing in a car used daily nor for touring, it's not even a bad thing if when you use it as a 'true' sports car I comes alive - with a crappy route and cold/wet test drive I couldn't explore that, but Harry certainly thinks so - not that I personally agree with his views of the car, not think he is being 100% transparent and honest in his reviews).

Please speak for yourself. I would classify the Emira as raw and visceral based on the immense feedback through the chassis. Not as much as older Lotus but still profound compared to anything else currently on sale that's not an Ariel atom / KTM / Caterham. And at redline, I'd call it wild. In the same realm as the manic 6.4L V8 / 6-spd combo in my other vehicle, which genuinely shocked me.

 

[NicolasB]

Please speak for yourself. I would classify the Emira as raw and visceral based on the immense feedback through the chassis. Not as much as older Lotus but still profound compared to anything else currently on sale that's not an Ariel atom / KTM / Caterham. And at redline, I'd call it wild. In the same realm as the manic 6.4L V8 / 6-spd combo in my other vehicle, which genuinely shocked me.

Clarifying: the Emira feels like your Hellcat or whatever your car is when revving out? Seems like a very, very different animal.

 

[Lotus64]

Clarifying: the Emira feels like your Hellcat or whatever your car is when revving out? Seems like a very, very different animal.

They do feel very different. The V8 is a firecracker everywhere in the rev range with limited refinement whereas the V6 is more Dr. Jekyll / Mr. Hide. Yet as the revs climb, they both deliver Euphoria with their assault on the senses, in my opinion.

 

[Lotustoronto]

I’ve never owned a Lotus so the Emira will (maybe) be my first. I’ve heard driving a Lotus is a raw, visceral and wild experience. So maybe it’s only fitting that Lotus has taken this same route to deal with both it’s customer base and dealer network. If I get nothing more out of my Lotus journey than to experience the passion of this forum’s members then that will suffice. I solute you all on your dedication to the Lotus brand. I only hope Lotus will reciprocate and realize that it’s you people that are truly “the Lotus drivers”.

In North America specifically Canada the Emira is priced between 95-120K (i4-V6). Fully optioned at 120K mind you, at these current prices the only other mid-engine manual sports cars is a 718 Cayman GTS/S. Comparing i4 and it opens the door to the C8 and for a little less money a Supra, M2 etc.

The Emira, compared to what is on offer here in Canada/US will feel visceral and better driving feel than base C8 and 718 S. I prefer it over a GTS 4.0 as well - this is very close IMO. (not GT4/Spyder however) Let's remember we never got access to the more visceral Lotus offerings, apart from a Evora GT. Even the Evora however is extremely rare here and finding out in a spec you like may never happen. Our options are different. Yes, there is hellcats/mustangs/camaro but these drive completely differently from the Emira. In terms of design in and out they are a class below. (Emira drives nothing like a US muscle car BTW....very different)

So I think when we discuss visceral driving feel in the 100K range for a sports car in North America, It is a bit different than our European friends. They have more options in both the new and pre-owned market than we do when it comes to that. Even their pre-owned Aston prices are well below ours. Different markets. Emira will do very very well over here because of that.

 

[Boombang]

Please speak for yourself.

I do, that's why I say 'in my view' and 'for me' in my post.

 

[BeHappy]

So I've had confirmation from Lotus - I had my checkout email before xmas and wanted to be put on the I4 FE queue.

They have told me its a case of take it or leave it. -id have to put a new deposit on an I4 and go to the back of the Q.

I have till tomorrow to decide on receiving my car or getting my deposit back.

Don’t keep us in suspense what have you decided to do …….