FE I4 pricing no longer on US website

[lion shf]

That’s the compromise you have to accept for having the Lotus ride and handling philosophy and double wishbone suspension. It takes a lot of space inboard of the wheels compared to the alternatives. By the time you’ve stuffed radiators, fans and oil coolers under the bonnet too you’ve no space left for luggage.

For the drivers? Yes
For the weekend? Yes
For the two week holiday? Not so easy

Yeah it has to do the 4 week cross country I do each summer, most of it solo but I’ll pick up my wife in Denver or phoenix and head west then the same home drop her off before Kansas so I can do the dragon and others. Not sure the Emira can do this but it’s gonna be a fun test drive anyhow

 

[JohnHoward]

Even without dropouts, Lotus just seems completely incapable of finishing cars in anything close to the numbers they need. It’s looking like 2022 will end with fewer than 200 cars out the door, unless some miracle happens in Nov. They were supposed to be hitting 10x that, and then double that pace in 2023. I’ll bet they ship fewer 2024 MY Emiras than 2020 MY Evoras.

I would agree. I cant understand what the reported 1,500 staff employed at the factory are doing everyday. There has to be a limit in terms of what can be part built without creating a logistical nightmare in a factory that is designed for a constant flow like a conveyor belt with cars being loaded up and taken away at the end of the process, rather than being abandoned is every possible nook and cranny around the Lotus site.

 

[TomE]

My worry is they’re part building them then shipping them to the big airfield BCA have at the site they’re using for PDI and distribution.

Best case, they sit outside for weeks then get taken back to Hethel to finish them.

Worst case, they get BCA to finish them. Lotus have staff on site at BCA and are training them to do PDI and (more interestingly) a variety of PDI rectification tasks.

 

[Captain.Kirk]

That’s the compromise you have to accept for having the Lotus ride and handling philosophy and double wishbone suspension. It takes a lot of space inboard of the wheels compared to the alternatives. By the time you’ve stuffed radiators, fans and oil coolers under the bonnet too you’ve no space left for luggage.

For the drivers? Yes
For the weekend? Yes
For the two week holiday? Not so easy

In previous models it’s a wonder how they found room for a driver let alone a passenger too. It’s all about space management.

 

[JohnHoward]

My worry is they’re part building them then shipping them to the big airfield BCA have at the site they’re using for PDI and distribution.

Best case, they sit outside for weeks then get taken back to Hethel to finish them.

Worst case, they get BCA to finish them. Lotus have staff on site at BCA and are training them to do PDI and (more interestingly) a variety of PDI rectification tasks.

The scope for things to be missed, rushed, get damaged etc is mind boggling if this is what is happening, or could happen. I know that sometimes, fully built cars can be parked up for a while prior to sale, but at that stage they are designed to be kept outside anyway. A partly built car with say electrical connectors not connected and protected and you are introducing points of failure all over the place. The problem with this is these kinds of issue will not manifest themselves immediately, but will probably fail prematurely in the future if damp has got in.

 

[TomE]

In previous models it’s a wonder how they found room for a driver let alone a passenger too. It’s all about space management.

The Evora project team pre-launch told me proudly how clever they’d been to fit everything in to the space. They likened it to a tube of Pringles neatly and tightly stacked, compared to a loose packet of crisps (chips for you US folks).

Great, really clever. Now try changing the middle broken Pringle! This is the 35 hour clutch change. Or removing the wheel and wheel arch liner to change the headlight bulb.

 

[EspritGuy]

The Evora project team pre-launch told me proudly how clever they’d been to fit everything in to the space. They likened it to a tube of Pringles neatly and tightly stacked, compared to a loose packet of crisps (chips for you US folks).

Great, really clever. Now try changing the middle broken Pringle! This is the 35 hour clutch change. Or removing the wheel and wheel arch liner to change the headlight bulb.

Great. Now you brought up the Middle Pringle.
Those one finger salutes are popular these days.
As in 'that merits a middle Pringle.'
Let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Lotustoronto]

My worry is they’re part building them then shipping them to the big airfield BCA have at the site they’re using for PDI and distribution.

Best case, they sit outside for weeks then get taken back to Hethel to finish them.

Worst case, they get BCA to finish them. Lotus have staff on site at BCA and are training them to do PDI and (more interestingly) a variety of PDI rectification tasks.

This is without a doubt the biggest issue I see as well. Non cohesive manufacturing techniques usually result in some issues.

 

[NWFL]

Not that I know

Well, they must be able to recommend someone to you who does. I can't imagine putting an exhaust system like that on a C8 without reworking the air intake. You've got plenty of air intake options under 1K if you're seriously considering getting the car. You might consider giving someone like "Parragon Performance" a call. The car will also sound and perform even better once installed. Personnally I'd do the air intake first then the exhaust.

 

[Captain.Kirk]

You'd better tell Scotty to put the engines in full reverse

It’s a wormhole. No telling where we’ll end up.

 

[lion shf]

Well, they must be able to recommend someone to you who does. I can't imagine putting an exhaust system like that on a C8 without reworking the air intake. You've got plenty of air intake options under 1K if you're seriously considering getting the car. You might consider giving someone like "Parragon Performance" a call. The car will also sound and perform even better once installed. Personnally I'd do the air intake first then the exhaust.

Someone on c8 forum just installed a “blue bubble” air filter? Maybe just a lay in? But my guess is it added 5 hp claimed and added some nice burbles. My guess is messing with the air system would most def void the warranty.
I spoke with Paragon months ago about supplying smaller spacers as I thought the 20s they offered added mexiI poke. He told me they offer 15mm but folks don’t like grinding the studs, which I have zero problem doing.
I’ll look into a full air kit

 

[NWFL]

Someone on c8 forum just installed a “blue bubble” air filter? Maybe just a lay in? But my guess is it added 5 hp claimed and added some nice burbles. My guess is messing with the air system would most def void the warranty.
I spoke with Paragon months ago about supplying smaller spacers as I thought the 20s they offered added mexiI poke. He told me they offer 15mm but folks don’t like grinding the studs, which I have zero problem doing.
I’ll look into a full air kit

Yeah, you might void the warranty and good question for Chevy. You might be ok with high performance air filter and the AWE exhaust, and it wouldn't cost much for the air filter change to find out. From my experiences with my 2004 E46 M3 and current 2018 718 Cayman even an aftermarket performance air filter will supposedly shorten the life of the oxygen sensor, but I never had any problem with the K&N in my M3 in 19k miles and 718 now at 5k miles with BMC. Both cars performed better. 718 has the $2900.00 Sport exhaust which really benefits from the extra air as did the M3 to a lesser degree. You're right about the Corvette V8 sound, I had a 1968 Chevelle Super Sport with a 396 back in the early 70's until 1982 that I did all kinds of modifications to increase the horsepower. Those were the days!