MOT Failure - Ball Joints

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Evening all

My cars just been in for its MOT and it’s failed due to both ball joints being worn.

The car has done only 10k miles, never been tracked and isn’t driven hard as I’m too concerned that my driving skill doesn’t match the ability of the car 🤪

The technician that did the MOT was so surprised about the amount of play in them given the condition and mileage of the car, that he call Lotus to check if this was a known issue / there had been a recall…..

What makes this even more concerning is that the car had its 3rd service at the end of January and this wasn’t picked up as an issue and it’s done less than 300 miles since then. Is this not something that should have been picked up at the time?

Has anyone had a similar issue with ball joints wearing out well before their standard useable life?

Thanks

UPDATE:

Car has been with Bell & Colvill this morning there was a fair bit of interest as it's the first time they have seen this issue on an Emira.

It was explained to me that the reason it wasn't picked up during the 3rd service was because it was put on a 4 post ramp. Whilst the weight of the car is on the joints, you can't see any movement. However upon placing it on their 2 post ramp, the issue is clear to see. Graham, the Aftersales Manager indicated that, in light of this issue, they would now be looking to get all Emira's up on the 2 post ramp during services to check for this problem. There was also tech from Lotus HQ there who said he had see this issue one another Emira previously.

They agreed that the issue would most definitely have been present at the last service and within the warranty period (which ran out 23 days ago!) and would take the issue up with Lotus on my behalf to see if it can be repaired under warranty of via a good will gesture. Fingers crossed it can be sorted at no cost.

So far, I'm impressed with how B&C are handling the situation and a shoutout to Graham for how he's approaching.

UPDATE 2:

Just heard back from Graham and he’s confirmed that Lotus have accepted the claim, so it will be repaired under warranty. Clearly a great outcome because it’s not going to be cheap! Just waiting on the parts to come in which will hopefully be sometime this week. Top service from B&C 👍🏽
 

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That's a great outcome for you, nice work from B&C!

My car is going in for its 3rd service & MOT just before the warranty runs out. I'll be getting Woodcote & Copse to take a look at this, too.
 
Evening all

My cars just been in for its MOT and it’s failed due to both ball joints being worn.

The car has done only 10k miles, never been tracked and isn’t driven hard as I’m too concerned that my driving skill doesn’t match the ability of the car 🤪

The technician that did the MOT was so surprised about the amount of play in them given the condition and mileage of the car, that he call Lotus to check if this was a known issue / there had been a recall…..

What makes this even more concerning is that the car had its 3rd service at the end of January and this wasn’t picked up as an issue and it’s done less than 300 miles since then. Is this not something that should have been picked up at the time?

Has anyone had a similar issue with ball joints wearing out well before their standard useable life?

Thanks

UPDATE:

Car has been with Bell & Colvill this morning there was a fair bit of interest as it's the first time they have seen this issue on an Emira.

It was explained to me that the reason it wasn't picked up during the 3rd service was because it was put on a 4 post ramp. Whilst the weight of the car is on the joints, you can't see any movement. However upon placing it on their 2 post ramp, the issue is clear to see. Graham, the Aftersales Manager indicated that, in light of this issue, they would now be looking to get all Emira's up on the 2 post ramp during services to check for this problem. There was also tech from Lotus HQ there who said he had see this issue one another Emira previously.

They agreed that the issue would most definitely have been present at the last service and within the warranty period (which ran out 23 days ago!) and would take the issue up with Lotus on my behalf to see if it can be repaired under warranty of via a good will gesture. Fingers crossed it can be sorted at no cost.

So far, I'm impressed with how B&C are handling the situation and a shoutout to Graham for how he's approaching.

UPDATE 2:

Just heard back from Graham and he’s confirmed that Lotus have accepted the claim, so it will be repaired under warranty. Clearly a great outcome because it’s not going to be cheap! Just waiting on the parts to come in which will hopefully be sometime this week. Top service from B&C 👍🏽

Thank you so much for posting that video. I’m sure all members appreciate you’re taking the time to keep us informed. Once they get the items out, it will be interesting to hear comment on the reason behind failure at such a low mileage. Is it wear because of poor quality of component? Or is it a design factor? Keen to hear their opinions. Very pleased to hear your outcome and the support from B&C plus Lotus. Thanks again.
 
Had a few issues with my 2023 v6 4k miles and so i'm getting my car checked next week but yesterday the garage had a quick 10 min check on this and mine seemed to be fine .
 
Had a few issues with my 2023 v6 4k miles and so i'm getting my car checked next week but yesterday the garage had a quick 10 min check on this and mine seemed to be fine .
That’s good news. I’m hoping I’m just unlucky but I know it’s not a completely isolated incident.

Unfortunately, the parts seems to be a pain to get hold of. We’ve got one side, but the other has no ETA so I’m still unable to drive it as it has no MOT 😫
 
While the OP's failure is a cause for concern, this doesn't seem to be documented as a widespread problem.

I agree that it should now be part of your inspection routine, but before we panic, it could very well be a singular or rare event.
BEWARE ALL.....I have the same issue, 3000 miles, sports suspension, never been tracked, passed MOT in February, serviced last week and advised £1800 fix. Lotus technician says he has seen it a number of times now, and was sheepish when I suggested this is a manuf. fault, not fair wear and tear. I am now communicating with Lotus to try and get completed under warranty, (ran out in Feb, but I could not get it into Lotus Colchester quick enough. I think they only have 1 technician).

As you can also see from the attached video, I also needs a new power steering pump. This was actually replaced last June under warranty as found to be leaking at the 2 year service, so it will be my 3rd pump now! Thank goodness they have agreed to replace under warranty

also a faulty window....... :-(

Near £4000 of fixes required at 3 year and 2 months old.......

 
BEWARE ALL.....I have the same issue, 3000 miles, sports suspension, never been tracked, passed MOT in February, serviced last week and advised £1800 fix. Lotus technician says he has seen it a number of times now, and was sheepish when I suggested this is a manuf. fault, not fair wear and tear. I am now communicating with Lotus to try and get completed under warranty, (ran out in Feb, but I could not get it into Lotus Colchester quick enough. I think they only have 1 technician).

As you can also see from the attached video, I also needs a new power steering pump. This was actually replaced last June under warranty as found to be leaking at the 2 year service, so it will be my 3rd pump now! Thank goodness they have agreed to replace under warranty

also a faulty window....... :-(

Near £4000 of fixes required at 3 year and 2 months old.......

This was my worry, but there didn't seem to be many people saying they had seen the same.

Hopefully still isolated, but I fear there may be a few more coming through as the cars get their first MOT after 3 years.
 
Yea, we'll see as we get more feedback. I've done 16 track days and about to hit 14K miles. No issues as of yet, but will be keeping an eye on this.
 
This was my worry, but there didn't seem to be many people saying they had seen the same.

Hopefully still isolated, but I fear there may be a few more coming through as the cars get their first MOT after 3 years.

Firstly, at 3000 miles, to have a failure like this, in a sports care designed for “spirited” driving, just doesn’t stack up?
Is it a flaw in design, or poor choice of component?
Secondly, is it occurring more on cars with sports suspension? That would prove an interesting comparison.
 
Firstly, at 3000 miles, to have a failure like this, in a sports care designed for “spirited” driving, just doesn’t stack up?
Is it a flaw in design, or poor choice of component?
Secondly, is it occurring more on cars with sports suspension? That would prove an interesting comparison.
Mine is touring suspension and was fine
 
Came back from service today, same thing albeit not to be replaced yet. Expected to be renewed with next years service.
41.000km in 3 1/2 years
Touring V6
 
I'm sure it won't be long before someone identifies a suitable replacement ball joint and method of fitting it to the existing wishbone, or a service doing it as a replacement

It must just be a poor quality component that they're pressing into the Wishbone.
 
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I think this explains why these cars seem to depreciate a lot based on mileage. If you look at Porsche, there's minimal difference between 5k and 15k miles in value but not so with Emira. I thought that was unfair but given these worn suspensions at 10k reports, I'm now starting to think Emira miles are more analogous to dog years. 10k = 70k !
 
I think this explains why these cars seem to depreciate a lot based on mileage.
I'm not really seeing that, at least not in the UK. There's 1K, 5K, 8K and 12K Emiras all within a few £1,000 of each other. Often the higher mileage ones costing more than the low mileage ones. It's difficult to see what exactly is the differentiator on second had cost as the prices are all very close. Dealership seems to be one, with the Auto 100 ones being cheapest (for a reason) and the Lotus dealership ones being most expensive. Also age may be a factor, end of 3 year warranty making a small difference to price.

There's a lot fewer on the market this year, around 50 on Autotrader (if you discount the new ones and the duplicates), there were over 100 this time last year.
 
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BEWARE ALL.....I have the same issue, 3000 miles, sports suspension, never been tracked, passed MOT in February, serviced last week and advised £1800 fix. Lotus technician says he has seen it a number of times now, and was sheepish when I suggested this is a manuf. fault, not fair wear and tear. I am now communicating with Lotus to try and get completed under warranty, (ran out in Feb, but I could not get it into Lotus Colchester quick enough. I think they only have 1 technician).

As you can also see from the attached video, I also needs a new power steering pump. This was actually replaced last June under warranty as found to be leaking at the 2 year service, so it will be my 3rd pump now! Thank goodness they have agreed to replace under warranty

also a faulty window....... :-(

Near £4000 of fixes required at 3 year and 2 months old.......

Hi All. Thanks for your comments.

Just an update, Lotus have refused to cover the cost of repair, citing my car is a few weeks out of warranty. The indi garage who carried out the MOT have agreed to put it back on their ramp so we can take a closer look and I will advise their comments, and maybe upload a few pics. As regards Lotus, we all know this is not normal wear and tear, it can only be poor quality components. So I will escalate and keep you all informed of progress.
 
Hi All. Thanks for your comments.

Just an update, Lotus have refused to cover the cost of repair, citing my car is a few weeks out of warranty. The indi garage who carried out the MOT have agreed to put it back on their ramp so we can take a closer look and I will advise their comments, and maybe upload a few pics. As regards Lotus, we all know this is not normal wear and tear, it can only be poor quality components. So I will escalate and keep you all informed of progress.
At least in Germany ran out warranty doesn’t affect manufacturing defects. I'm sure most countries handle it similarly.
Hard part is gathering enough data from owners plus comparing against "expected lifetime" to force it through.
Lotus will try to prevent this at all cost
 
It's getting to the point, that Lotus are going to be spending a lot of time defending themselves in Small Claims Court
No way is this normal wear and tear and any expert witness would tear lotus apart
 
How many have actually had this issue so far?
And has there been any progress in sourcing an alternative?
 

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