No, if you read last weeks, there was the guy who said it was over priced and the gear change in the two different cars was quite different and had a few other remarks....
Yes, not the best photo, but Keff was written there.... silver can be seen, but yes I saw Keff ....
this is what the driving instructor told me, the same one who has done many hours development work on the Race GT4 version, so I would hope he knows. I certainly dont remember seeing this or hearing it before, but it wouldnt be the 1st thing I have missed on here.
I had a ferrari california, just to tick the ferrari box at the time but it was WAY better than I imagined. Had the carbon buckets, best seats ever, better than the carbon buckets in my gt4.EMIRA left over text
10. Speed - So I could not ask the guy to do a 0-60 test, as not production and I dont think he would have been too obliging and less so if my airbnb breakfast came up to visit the alcantara dash.
What I can say is this, the car feeeeels fast, even when it is not going fast. At 80mph I felt I was doing 100mph. In my Ionic 5 at 80 I feel I am doing 60. Obviously the seating position helps and you are low down etc. For enjoyment and safety, its a good thing if you car feels its going faster than it is, IMO. if you are a track rat, then maybe this isnt ideal but I cant help you there.
I personally think my ionic 5 in sports mode would match or beat it 0-60, which IMO is very bad, but it does have 600 NM torque. I hope to be proven wrong, we shall see when the official cars are statistically tested by the users / journos.
I would add, as I have maintained allllll along, if you want a serious track toy, get something else. Get an Exige, get a GT4, Ariel Atom, Lotus 7/11 whatever, but if you want a cool car that will be fun around a track and great handling, then fine, get the Emira. Just dont expect it to outdo your friends in their tried and tested GT4's or even the boring GTS's.
I would also add, if you have a Ferrari, or an Audi A8, or a GT 3.... any car like that over 100k, why are you here? This car will not be as good, its NOT a competitor to any of these cars, any more than a vantage or an F type is, so dont waste your time. There is nothing about the Lotus Emira that will compare to any ferrari model currently on sale, or any 911 model come to that. Now, if you dont want to run the risk of your ferrari heading into the gravel or worse still the wall, then fine, but do accept this is a milky bar, and you have Lindt, the milky bar tastes great, IF thats what you like, but it will never compare to Lindt for many reasons, components, investment, manufacturing etc etc..
11. THAT RUBBER STRIP - so, one of the guys who was there was Japanese, living in America. He knows quite a lot about Toyota and the Evora and works in Insurance. I will repeat what he said, obviously I DONT know if its true or not, but he thinks it is and its what he has been told.
In the USA, a car must be able to crash at 3mph without any damage being caused. Appppparently, the rubber strip is needed to prevent the front end hitting and damaging the bonnet at that speed.
Make of that what you will, it is not what Lotus have told us and of course it makes no sense that EU/UK cars would follow the same rule... but there you go.
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12. Components - the same Japanese guy said that Lotus used to use quite a few Toyota parts around the engine, water bottle, tubes, etc etc. Now, looking at the uncovered engine, and its surroundings, which were all on display, the truth is the whole area looked a bit cheap. He said they are using Geely parts instead now, to save money, but they are not the same quality and they certainly dont look great, but you wont see them most of the time I guess.
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I could go on and I may add some more later, but I think you're bored by now. Obviously being a bit sick dampened my day and having spent 12/17 months waiting and seeing things and talking about it, has taken its toll also. There are very few cars I have gotten into and thought wow, upon driving them, here are a few:
Mercedes SLS. 550 odd NA engine - dangerously quick and yes wow
Ferrari California - yes the cheap ferrari made me want to drive a lot faster than I should
Lotus Exige 380 - so not the most powerful, but wow, yes wow..... great little car, shame its as ugly as a bus joined to a taxi (sorry if u have one, but the Elise is way cuter... the early exige was cool 😎 )
Aston DBS - for its looks back then...and engine... cool key too
My first westfield NA 180 HP blacktop zetec engine, still probably my favorite car of all time, but I am sure the Caterham 420 is probably better and I will probably get one, a test drive would be nice though.
I have driven many other cars and I do love my 300HP backdated 911, see profile photo, it is very torquey hah... pulls like a train and such and airy cabin... but I dont think I went wow, I do upon looking at it though.
Its all relative, and nearly everyone on here has driven and probably owned better cars than the Emira, so I think you do need to be prepared and not have unrealistic expectations, which I think is the problem with some journalists. They expected it to be a cayman killer, its not, nothing is or ever will be now, only the 911 has killed the cayman as it prevented it from being as good as it could be, until the very end.
I would also say, IMHO, if you expect this car to be better than the Evora, with 430 HP, and 1250 odd kilos, its physically impossible, no matter what Gav says, how can it be, physics are physics, although a wider track may help in some ways, but not, I doubt very much whether Tom and the other Evora owners will think wow, this is the future.
Clearly its a step fwd in tech, and design and what have you, but basically it is the same car, engine, gear box, chassis // ish, BUT it is legal in the US, EU and is cheaper and for my money looks so much better (the evora looks great at the back, but the rest for me is not great). So again, I think all the reviews are 100% correct.
Harry thinks the car is great, a usable Lotus, a modern day Esprit, looks to die for and usable, with ENOUGH power to get you into trouble, but MORE than enough handling to keep you out of it. Evos arrogant, but truthful criticisms are also true, but like Harry, you probably wont care if you EVEN notice.
I really DO apologise as I realise my comments for the most part are not what some of you wanted to hear, BUT of course you need to try it yourself. I am just one person and I am not a multimillionaire with a car collection the size to fill a rather large barn, nor am I am track animal, clearly not my calling, but I am critical and I do expect a lot from people and companies, too much in most cases.
.
To try to end on a positive note, there is NOTHING out there for less than 85k that looks anywhere near as good! It drives great!! Its almost an exige in a grown ups body, sure it is. It sounds good, different to the 6cyl porsche, but not worse and yes, maybe better. It is a step forward, although other steps could be taken too and maybe they will. I am happy I have one/two on order and I am happy I went manual, but I would be very interested to try the AMG unit when it comes out, why not?
Just be realistic everyone..... I am sure 95% of people going in with their eyes open will be glad they bought the car, BUT, know that Lotus is still the ROMANTIC's choice, not necessarily the best choice, but IT IS MY CHOICE!
attaches some files, even silver wheels...... will talk about colours below with more files.
Again, I maybe too critical, sorry if I have ruined your day a little, go watch harry's vid again
but what an engine..
Really appreciate all the time you put into your review and your candid honesty. Thank you!EMIRA left over text
10. Speed - So I could not ask the guy to do a 0-60 test, as not production and I dont think he would have been too obliging and less so if my airbnb breakfast came up to visit the alcantara dash.
What I can say is this, the car feeeeels fast, even when it is not going fast. At 80mph I felt I was doing 100mph. In my Ionic 5 at 80 I feel I am doing 60. Obviously the seating position helps and you are low down etc. For enjoyment and safety, its a good thing if you car feels its going faster than it is, IMO. if you are a track rat, then maybe this isnt ideal but I cant help you there.
I personally think my ionic 5 in sports mode would match or beat it 0-60, which IMO is very bad, but it does have 600 NM torque. I hope to be proven wrong, we shall see when the official cars are statistically tested by the users / journos.
I would add, as I have maintained allllll along, if you want a serious track toy, get something else. Get an Exige, get a GT4, Ariel Atom, Lotus 7/11 whatever, but if you want a cool car that will be fun around a track and great handling, then fine, get the Emira. Just dont expect it to outdo your friends in their tried and tested GT4's or even the boring GTS's.
I would also add, if you have a Ferrari, or an Audi A8, or a GT 3.... any car like that over 100k, why are you here? This car will not be as good, its NOT a competitor to any of these cars, any more than a vantage or an F type is, so dont waste your time. There is nothing about the Lotus Emira that will compare to any ferrari model currently on sale, or any 911 model come to that. Now, if you dont want to run the risk of your ferrari heading into the gravel or worse still the wall, then fine, but do accept this is a milky bar, and you have Lindt, the milky bar tastes great, IF thats what you like, but it will never compare to Lindt for many reasons, components, investment, manufacturing etc etc..
11. THAT RUBBER STRIP - so, one of the guys who was there was Japanese, living in America. He knows quite a lot about Toyota and the Evora and works in Insurance. I will repeat what he said, obviously I DONT know if its true or not, but he thinks it is and its what he has been told.
In the USA, a car must be able to crash at 3mph without any damage being caused. Appppparently, the rubber strip is needed to prevent the front end hitting and damaging the bonnet at that speed.
Make of that what you will, it is not what Lotus have told us and of course it makes no sense that EU/UK cars would follow the same rule... but there you go.
.
12. Components - the same Japanese guy said that Lotus used to use quite a few Toyota parts around the engine, water bottle, tubes, etc etc. Now, looking at the uncovered engine, and its surroundings, which were all on display, the truth is the whole area looked a bit cheap. He said they are using Geely parts instead now, to save money, but they are not the same quality and they certainly dont look great, but you wont see them most of the time I guess.
.
I could go on and I may add some more later, but I think you're bored by now. Obviously being a bit sick dampened my day and having spent 12/17 months waiting and seeing things and talking about it, has taken its toll also. There are very few cars I have gotten into and thought wow, upon driving them, here are a few:
Mercedes SLS. 550 odd NA engine - dangerously quick and yes wow
Ferrari California - yes the cheap ferrari made me want to drive a lot faster than I should
Lotus Exige 380 - so not the most powerful, but wow, yes wow..... great little car, shame its as ugly as a bus joined to a taxi (sorry if u have one, but the Elise is way cuter... the early exige was cool 😎 )
Aston DBS - for its looks back then...and engine... cool key too
My first westfield NA 180 HP blacktop zetec engine, still probably my favorite car of all time, but I am sure the Caterham 420 is probably better and I will probably get one, a test drive would be nice though.
I have driven many other cars and I do love my 300HP backdated 911, see profile photo, it is very torquey hah... pulls like a train and such and airy cabin... but I dont think I went wow, I do upon looking at it though.
Its all relative, and nearly everyone on here has driven and probably owned better cars than the Emira, so I think you do need to be prepared and not have unrealistic expectations, which I think is the problem with some journalists. They expected it to be a cayman killer, its not, nothing is or ever will be now, only the 911 has killed the cayman as it prevented it from being as good as it could be, until the very end.
I would also say, IMHO, if you expect this car to be better than the Evora, with 430 HP, and 1250 odd kilos, its physically impossible, no matter what Gav says, how can it be, physics are physics, although a wider track may help in some ways, but not, I doubt very much whether Tom and the other Evora owners will think wow, this is the future.
Clearly its a step fwd in tech, and design and what have you, but basically it is the same car, engine, gear box, chassis // ish, BUT it is legal in the US, EU and is cheaper and for my money looks so much better (the evora looks great at the back, but the rest for me is not great). So again, I think all the reviews are 100% correct.
Harry thinks the car is great, a usable Lotus, a modern day Esprit, looks to die for and usable, with ENOUGH power to get you into trouble, but MORE than enough handling to keep you out of it. Evos arrogant, but truthful criticisms are also true, but like Harry, you probably wont care if you EVEN notice.
I really DO apologise as I realise my comments for the most part are not what some of you wanted to hear, BUT of course you need to try it yourself. I am just one person and I am not a multimillionaire with a car collection the size to fill a rather large barn, nor am I am track animal, clearly not my calling, but I am critical and I do expect a lot from people and companies, too much in most cases.
.
To try to end on a positive note, there is NOTHING out there for less than 85k that looks anywhere near as good! It drives great!! Its almost an exige in a grown ups body, sure it is. It sounds good, different to the 6cyl porsche, but not worse and yes, maybe better. It is a step forward, although other steps could be taken too and maybe they will. I am happy I have one/two on order and I am happy I went manual, but I would be very interested to try the AMG unit when it comes out, why not?
Just be realistic everyone..... I am sure 95% of people going in with their eyes open will be glad they bought the car, BUT, know that Lotus is still the ROMANTIC's choice, not necessarily the best choice, but IT IS MY CHOICE!
attaches some files, even silver wheels...... will talk about colours below with more files.
Again, I maybe too critical, sorry if I have ruined your day a little, go watch harry's vid again
I find this "war and peace epic" commendable but what a a load of utter rubbish. Get you do not like the car and regarding KEF, why would you want to test it when you are on a track day and its not the finished product? I honestly give give
EMIRA left over text
10. Speed - So I could not ask the guy to do a 0-60 test, as not production and I dont think he would have been too obliging and less so if my airbnb breakfast came up to visit the alcantara dash.
What I can say is this, the car feeeeels fast, even when it is not going fast. At 80mph I felt I was doing 100mph. In my Ionic 5 at 80 I feel I am doing 60. Obviously the seating position helps and you are low down etc. For enjoyment and safety, its a good thing if you car feels its going faster than it is, IMO. if you are a track rat, then maybe this isnt ideal but I cant help you there.
I personally think my ionic 5 in sports mode would match or beat it 0-60, which IMO is very bad, but it does have 600 NM torque. I hope to be proven wrong, we shall see when the official cars are statistically tested by the users / journos.
I would add, as I have maintained allllll along, if you want a serious track toy, get something else. Get an Exige, get a GT4, Ariel Atom, Lotus 7/11 whatever, but if you want a cool car that will be fun around a track and great handling, then fine, get the Emira. Just dont expect it to outdo your friends in their tried and tested GT4's or even the boring GTS's.
I would also add, if you have a Ferrari, or an Audi A8, or a GT 3.... any car like that over 100k, why are you here? This car will not be as good, its NOT a competitor to any of these cars, any more than a vantage or an F type is, so dont waste your time. There is nothing about the Lotus Emira that will compare to any ferrari model currently on sale, or any 911 model come to that. Now, if you dont want to run the risk of your ferrari heading into the gravel or worse still the wall, then fine, but do accept this is a milky bar, and you have Lindt, the milky bar tastes great, IF thats what you like, but it will never compare to Lindt for many reasons, components, investment, manufacturing etc etc..
11. THAT RUBBER STRIP - so, one of the guys who was there was Japanese, living in America. He knows quite a lot about Toyota and the Evora and works in Insurance. I will repeat what he said, obviously I DONT know if its true or not, but he thinks it is and its what he has been told.
In the USA, a car must be able to crash at 3mph without any damage being caused. Appppparently, the rubber strip is needed to prevent the front end hitting and damaging the bonnet at that speed.
Make of that what you will, it is not what Lotus have told us and of course it makes no sense that EU/UK cars would follow the same rule... but there you go.
.
12. Components - the same Japanese guy said that Lotus used to use quite a few Toyota parts around the engine, water bottle, tubes, etc etc. Now, looking at the uncovered engine, and its surroundings, which were all on display, the truth is the whole area looked a bit cheap. He said they are using Geely parts instead now, to save money, but they are not the same quality and they certainly dont look great, but you wont see them most of the time I guess.
.
I could go on and I may add some more later, but I think you're bored by now. Obviously being a bit sick dampened my day and having spent 12/17 months waiting and seeing things and talking about it, has taken its toll also. There are very few cars I have gotten into and thought wow, upon driving them, here are a few:
Mercedes SLS. 550 odd NA engine - dangerously quick and yes wow
Ferrari California - yes the cheap ferrari made me want to drive a lot faster than I should
Lotus Exige 380 - so not the most powerful, but wow, yes wow..... great little car, shame its as ugly as a bus joined to a taxi (sorry if u have one, but the Elise is way cuter... the early exige was cool 😎 )
Aston DBS - for its looks back then...and engine... cool key too
My first westfield NA 180 HP blacktop zetec engine, still probably my favorite car of all time, but I am sure the Caterham 420 is probably better and I will probably get one, a test drive would be nice though.
I have driven many other cars and I do love my 300HP backdated 911, see profile photo, it is very torquey hah... pulls like a train and such and airy cabin... but I dont think I went wow, I do upon looking at it though.
Its all relative, and nearly everyone on here has driven and probably owned better cars than the Emira, so I think you do need to be prepared and not have unrealistic expectations, which I think is the problem with some journalists. They expected it to be a cayman killer, its not, nothing is or ever will be now, only the 911 has killed the cayman as it prevented it from being as good as it could be, until the very end.
I would also say, IMHO, if you expect this car to be better than the Evora, with 430 HP, and 1250 odd kilos, its physically impossible, no matter what Gav says, how can it be, physics are physics, although a wider track may help in some ways, but not, I doubt very much whether Tom and the other Evora owners will think wow, this is the future.
Clearly its a step fwd in tech, and design and what have you, but basically it is the same car, engine, gear box, chassis // ish, BUT it is legal in the US, EU and is cheaper and for my money looks so much better (the evora looks great at the back, but the rest for me is not great). So again, I think all the reviews are 100% correct.
Harry thinks the car is great, a usable Lotus, a modern day Esprit, looks to die for and usable, with ENOUGH power to get you into trouble, but MORE than enough handling to keep you out of it. Evos arrogant, but truthful criticisms are also true, but like Harry, you probably wont care if you EVEN notice.
I really DO apologise as I realise my comments for the most part are not what some of you wanted to hear, BUT of course you need to try it yourself. I am just one person and I am not a multimillionaire with a car collection the size to fill a rather large barn, nor am I am track animal, clearly not my calling, but I am critical and I do expect a lot from people and companies, too much in most cases.
.
To try to end on a positive note, there is NOTHING out there for less than 85k that looks anywhere near as good! It drives great!! Its almost an exige in a grown ups body, sure it is. It sounds good, different to the 6cyl porsche, but not worse and yes, maybe better. It is a step forward, although other steps could be taken too and maybe they will. I am happy I have one/two on order and I am happy I went manual, but I would be very interested to try the AMG unit when it comes out, why not?
Just be realistic everyone..... I am sure 95% of people going in with their eyes open will be glad they bought the car, BUT, know that Lotus is still the ROMANTIC's choice, not necessarily the best choice, but IT IS MY CHOICE!
attaches some files, even silver wheels...... will talk about colours below with more files.
Again, I maybe too critical, sorry if I have ruined your day a little, go watch harry's vid again
Err because everyone asked him to test it...
thanks for your kind words. I do like the car actually, but its all relative, and I am still buying it. This you would know if you read to the war and peace end of the next volume or the one after that, various volumes in war n peace you know.
I hope you are right....... lets see the cars once in the showrooms in a few weeks...
I’m entirely not surprised — from a spring selection point of view it makes sense too.
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