I’m sorry Tom but the nature of discussion means that things occasionally go off topic. Understandably, if they start to ruin a thread by going too deep ‘off topic’ for too long then maybe they should be deleted, but 3 posts about Covid don’t deserve an ‘off topic’ deletion IMO
I'm out - the cancellations thread
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Cachaco131
Emira Maniac
My bad!
We have had several instances in the past where these types of posts head into political arguments. Hence why they get stopped early.
Brexit changes have also had an impact on Emira deliveries. We can discuss what those impacts are and why they have happened. But this isn’t the place to debate the rights and wrongs of Brexit or the handling of impacts in areas beyond Emira production.
There are of course grey areas and we try to maintain balance. One post at a tangent isn’t too much of a problem, but multiple posts heading further off topic lead to intervention.
If you want to debate how we approach moderation then please start a new topic and tag me and the moderators/admins in. We’re happy to discuss it. For purposes of this thread, the matter is closed and let’s get back on topic.
I understand your reasons, even if I disagree to a point. But like you say, lets end it here because we're technically off topic and you'll have to delete these posts too
The new policy is causing a near term surge in illnesses. Most of our suppliers are down to a skeleton crew and many have opted for an early departure for Chinese new years. We were originally planning for shipments all the way to mid January but all those plans have been cancelled. We will see how it all shakes out by mid February, which is when we expect the country to thaw out of the normal Chinese New Years holiday period. So I figure the net effect is that the covid wave caused about a month of lost production and shipping output.I’m not actually sure of new policy changes in China will result in less delays or more delays. I’m hoping for less. Trying to be optimistic in the new year
The worst thing that can happen for manufacturing is China swinging to a strict policy of lockdown again. If that happens, the delays will worsen.
I think that's what I'm afraid of for the Emira.
Well considering it's the choice of using severe lockdowns that's causing the disruption in supply, which is causing the delay in Lotus being able to build and ship Emiras, I thought it was definitely on topic. It's the delays that are primarily causing people to cancel their Emira deposits/orders, and this is the "cancellations" thread..
Back in 2021 when we were putting down our deposits, we all thought we'd be driving our Emiras by the end of 2022. Instead, very very few have their cars. Even you don't have yours yet, and that's directly the fault of the lockdowns disrupting the supply chain. It's something Lotus has no control over, so I personally don't feel it's fair to blame Lotus, but it's having an effect on some people even being able to purchase one now. The finance interest rates are now much worse than they were a year ago. The disruption of the supply chain globally has also caused a downturn of the stock market, which has had an impact on some people's finances who were counting on pulling from their portofolio to pay for the car.
I don't see how this would be considered off topic for a thread about cancellations, as it's a cause and effect issue, but you're the moderator here, not me.
Congrats on your first day at the gymI’m not actually sure of new policy changes in China will result in less delays or more delays. I’m hoping for less. Trying to be optimistic in the new year
Give it a couple weeksCongrats on your first day at the gym
There is a difference between discussing the approach to managing COVID lockdowns (= political) versus discussing the impacts of lockdowns on supply chains and Emira production (= on topic). Whilst there are possible grey areas here, the overall principle is clear.
Your deleted post started "What the Chinese government is doing is making the situation far worse than it would be otherwise" and then continued to comment on the approach to managing lockdowns. There was one point about the possible impact on global manufacturing. Steer clear of the political comments and you're fine.
I'm wondering that as people discover how unrealistic the frantic push to "green" is, that companies such as Ford will continue to manufacture ICE vehicles along with some electric. And look at Porsche's investment in alternate fuels. My guess is we will still have a selection of fun ICE cars. Finding a manual though....could be more difficult..
Lotustoronto
Emira Addict
I agree that ICE will be around longer than we think... however, I don't know about in sports cars. Sports cars are always pushing the envelope when it comes to speed and track times and while the current battery technology does not do a good job for longevity it is no question faster. Porsche will keep the 911 ICE as long as they can, but the mid engine 718's will be their electric sports car range.I'm wondering that as people discover how unrealistic the frantic push to "green" is, that companies such as Ford will continue to manufacture ICE vehicles along with some electric. And look at Porsche's investment in alternate fuels. My guess is we will still have a selection of fun ICE cars. Finding a manual though....could be more difficult..
So I do think ICE cars will be considered nostalgic, especially manual cars. It is a dying breed there is no question about that.
How many mid-engine manual sports cars exist under 100K? 718's and Emira? Soon to be only Emira.
Yup, that's it here in North America! One of my main attractions to the Emira. Instant classic and rare!
When did you become a mod!? Congrats man!
Time will tell, I think those good ol' gas powered, manual transmission sports cars will be around at least for the remainder of my driving years. The youngsters will never get to understand that complete experience of sound, smell, feel and overall connection of being one with the car. They will be setting lap records in $100k golf carts....boring..
They will be setting lap records in $100k golf carts....boring..
Well I doubt it'll be boring if they're out there setting records, but I get what you're saying.
I'm very excited to soon own one of the last ICE mid engine sportscars ever. And the fact that it'll have 3 pedals and built by a former F1 winning company makes it all that more special!
It should be a great car. Congrats to you for your patience..
I am fully out now (refund due any day), flip flopped 3 times as a real affinity to Lotus. Was nearly swung by an offer to let me amend spec. Interesting given hard lines taken before, suggests lots of cancellations and trying to mitigate order loss.
What settled it for me was reminded over xmas by a mate of all the hassle I had with my first Evora, Exige and last Evora and generally how crap Lotus and dealers were, Lotus parts delays / lotus dragging feet on warranty issues.
Amazed how time, a new look car and an affinity to a brand makes you forget hassle.
We worked out how many months the Lotus’s were off the road waiting for warranty claims and or parts. Scary in a total of 4 years of combined ownership it was 4.5 months! Basically ~10% of the time under my ownership was waiting on Lotus to approve claims and parts. Latterly some claims deniers totally leading me to bin off the 410.
Also trips to and from dealers for issues totalled 10 trips (20 if you count the drive back). ~15% of all my cars mileages were taking the car to and from the dealer to be fixed is rather insane! To be fair we discounted a few when in was in a trailer otherwise would have been 12.
Sobering when in 25 years driving that’s more than every other car put together (and we’ve owned 18).
As the Lotus were all the same drive train, transmission and it’s the same this time would be silly to not listen to past experience and the facts.
So gone back to the dark side and GT4 RS incoming, it’s a much better car in all areas bar looks. What swung it was the hassle factor Lotus brings as noted above. Porsches just work and when you have issues (they aren’t as reliable as some say) they get fixed professionally and in a timely manner.
In the mean time I am stunned that I am actually enjoying my wife’s new Tesla model Y Performance now.
Initially wanted to hate it but it’s a surprisingly brilliant road family car. Comfy when you need it to be and blisteringly quick when you need it to be, very little touches it when I drive it and it actually handles a British B road well at speed. Amazed as I wanted to hate it but after a few fast road trips it grown on me. Takes a bit of getting used to the numbness lack of sound brings.
But hopping back into 750bhp M6 afterwards with a sports exhaust and permanently open exhaust it just doesn’t feel as quick or nice to drive.
Enjoy your cars when they finally arrive and hope Lotus have upped their aftercare game for you all
What settled it for me was reminded over xmas by a mate of all the hassle I had with my first Evora, Exige and last Evora and generally how crap Lotus and dealers were, Lotus parts delays / lotus dragging feet on warranty issues.
Amazed how time, a new look car and an affinity to a brand makes you forget hassle.
We worked out how many months the Lotus’s were off the road waiting for warranty claims and or parts. Scary in a total of 4 years of combined ownership it was 4.5 months! Basically ~10% of the time under my ownership was waiting on Lotus to approve claims and parts. Latterly some claims deniers totally leading me to bin off the 410.
Also trips to and from dealers for issues totalled 10 trips (20 if you count the drive back). ~15% of all my cars mileages were taking the car to and from the dealer to be fixed is rather insane! To be fair we discounted a few when in was in a trailer otherwise would have been 12.
Sobering when in 25 years driving that’s more than every other car put together (and we’ve owned 18).
As the Lotus were all the same drive train, transmission and it’s the same this time would be silly to not listen to past experience and the facts.
So gone back to the dark side and GT4 RS incoming, it’s a much better car in all areas bar looks. What swung it was the hassle factor Lotus brings as noted above. Porsches just work and when you have issues (they aren’t as reliable as some say) they get fixed professionally and in a timely manner.
In the mean time I am stunned that I am actually enjoying my wife’s new Tesla model Y Performance now.
Initially wanted to hate it but it’s a surprisingly brilliant road family car. Comfy when you need it to be and blisteringly quick when you need it to be, very little touches it when I drive it and it actually handles a British B road well at speed. Amazed as I wanted to hate it but after a few fast road trips it grown on me. Takes a bit of getting used to the numbness lack of sound brings.
But hopping back into 750bhp M6 afterwards with a sports exhaust and permanently open exhaust it just doesn’t feel as quick or nice to drive.
Enjoy your cars when they finally arrive and hope Lotus have upped their aftercare game for you all
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