Emira finally on a CarWOW Drag Race
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The I4 is not just for drag racing and has merit in its own right including straight line speed, however the additional engagement offered by a slick manual transmission is hard to ignore. Driving with all 4 limbs engages the mind and body more than using 2 or 3. That's not to say that the I4 isn't engaging though.
great points - that said, if Lotus didn't offer the DCT, I wouldn't be in it
Interesting that the topic of “weak drivetrain” doesn’t seem to be eventuating anywhere really. Even in the modified cars. Maybe that group have moved on to another car. Might go che city a few other car forums to see where they went.
Eh? I don't think people were imagining the snapped axels. It did happen. Multiple times. Maybe a batch issue with parts, but still... I don't think people were saying that the drivetrain is weak, because there was wide acknowledgement that the Evora didn't see this issue.
I believe the I4 Emira will be faster than the Supra auto. Based on personal experience the Supra auto is a lot faster than the v6 Manual I don’t even think it’s a little faster. Trap speed is higher. I can def feel the difference in higher end pulls. 1/4 mile times are similar with the Supra giving the little edge over the Emira but from a roll it’s a different story.
I would like to see some numbers on the Emira v6 auto and how that performs. I’m sure it shifts faster than me on that 1-2 shift
The Supra will feel much faster than the Emira due the power delivery. The low end torque delivered by a turbo will feel faster than peak power delivered at redline, and is more accessible by sacrificing linearity.
We see consistently in the video that the Supra Auto is only pulling on the Emira during shifts. The Emira's 400 hp are fully accounted for; that's why it beats the Supra Manual in a drag race. The Supra Auto bests the two only due to quicker shift times and closer ratios, not because of a power advantage.
Regarding the Emira V6 Auto, historically the Aisin supplied 6 spd Auto and 6 spd Manual, when paired with the supercharged V6, have typically been right on top of each other in straight line acceleration. They both get an official 4.2s 0-60 rating in the Emira.
The Emira V6 Auto doesn't have much an advantage over the V6 Manual if any, largely due to more similar ratios and shift times. The Aisin Auto is no match for the ZF 8 spd, which is amongst the best on the market and well optimized for acceleration and efficiency, and is better matched up against the Aisin Manual. Additionally, I heard 1 report that the V6 Auto will not allow high rpm launches, but have not seen an instrumented test to verify the claim.
Having owned a factory-tuned BMW 340i (B58 + ZF8 w/ ZHP package) and a manual V6 Emira at the same time for more than a full year, I can attest to this from my own experience. I never dragged them against each other but I wouldn't have put my money on my Emira despite it being a FAR more engaging car to drive (and the fun factor isn't even comparable).
Now, with the 3rd cat delete + Eventuri + JB4 map 2, I think the Emira would likely take the win in a 1/4 mile but not without a solid launch and some on-point shifting. I thought the Emira lacked some needed punch until the aforementioned mods at which point I now have no need or desire for that additional "punch" back into my seat. The Emira now delivers that for me.
This is good to know. That is what I am looking to do. Plus exhaust and some weight reduction
TBH I'd recommend just deleting the 3rd cat and installing Milltek's VC and see how you like it (very cheap and easy). I personally don't see that much value in aftermarket exhausts on this platform. The 3rd cat delete + VC sounds absolutely incredible. Non-stop compliments on the noise. If I did anything else it would probably have to be the Valvetronic stuff you can see on YouTube which sounds other-wordly good.
freefall_junkie
Emira Fiend
I think it is definitely torque more than peak power which makes a car feel fast in everyday driving. I have a BMW G21 330d with the later twin turbo engine putting out a thumping 480 lb-ft of torque (more than an M3 and way more than a 340i). I know it sounds like complete heresy to say that a diesel 3 series estate feels quicker than an Emira, but honestly that is the sensation from behind the wheel most of the time. The Emira only starts to feel quick in comparison when you rev it right out through the gears, although as you point out, it is on a different planet for handling, steering feel and engagement.
This is very true. Even my 5.7L V8 Hemi RAM 1500 feels pretty rowdy from 0-60 but at higher speeds where HP/weight ratio really matters, diff story.
allenyao09
Emira Fanatic
Having owned both a manual Supra and Emira, I felt the Supra is faster due to the low-end torque. The torque drops at high revs in the B58, but the 2GR isn't so rev happy either.
Well, seems fine so far!
I do not drive it much these days really.
Still effin love it.
I keep thinking of trading it in against another Ferrari but I then come to my senses and question why on earth I would swap a car that looks better than nearly all Ferraris, gets more attention, and is useable on the road, and sounds this good, for HALF the price.
I have been looking at 488 and 458 Spiders but, really, the Emira is just the dogs nuts
I do not drive it much these days really.
Still effin love it.
I keep thinking of trading it in against another Ferrari but I then come to my senses and question why on earth I would swap a car that looks better than nearly all Ferraris, gets more attention, and is useable on the road, and sounds this good, for HALF the price.
I have been looking at 488 and 458 Spiders but, really, the Emira is just the dogs nuts
The i4 would have fared better but this was really meant to be a manual test - which of course are not suited to drag racing.
I gave my car up as the conversation started about a year ago but they kept struggling to get the other cars (one of which was surely an Alpine or M2).
All in all, complete and utter bollocks. I never smash my car off the line. It is MUCH MUCH more than a traffic light bandit. I couldn't even fo that to the car.
For me , is is still about the feel, engagement and experience.
Hell, my Tesla Model X is faster off the lights. Who gives a crap.
I gave my car up as the conversation started about a year ago but they kept struggling to get the other cars (one of which was surely an Alpine or M2).
All in all, complete and utter bollocks. I never smash my car off the line. It is MUCH MUCH more than a traffic light bandit. I couldn't even fo that to the car.
For me , is is still about the feel, engagement and experience.
Hell, my Tesla Model X is faster off the lights. Who gives a crap.
Jinba ittai
Emira Fanatic
Never heard this expression before. Apparently people in the UK like dog nuts.
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