VF Tuner for the Lotus Emira

[VR1]

I was trying to find your posts in the other thread about the limitations of the Emira ECU relating to piggyback tune vs. a flash tune, but it looks like they were deleted. For those of us new to the lotus platform would you mind reposting what you said? Thank you!

 

[VF Tuner]

I will repost and explain here. It is not surprising if it did get deleted. Some people really don't like that level of information being made public.

 

[Porter]

I will repost and explain here. It is not surprising if it did get deleted. Some people really don't like that level of information being made public.

I will follow up with you separately when I have a moment, but for clarity since there is community interest developing on this, your posts were deleted because they were made on another vendor's thread, in another supporting vendor's dedicated forum here.

You are free to make posts and engage in this community, we encourage it. But the basic etiquette here is that you don't disparage another vendor's product, and you certainly don't do it on their thread that's explicitly about their product or solution. Make a positive case for your own products and we will all engage with you in kind.

Personally, I'm very much looking forward to seeing what you come up with, and whether you are able to overcome the signed bootloader limitation that is unique (at least for Lotus) to the Emira ECM.

Thanks again for being a part of this community, and let's all make cars go fast together.

 

[VF Tuner]

I will follow up with you separately when I have a moment, but for clarity since there is community interest developing on this, your posts were deleted because they were made on another vendor's thread, in another supporting vendor's dedicated forum here.

You are free to make posts and engage in this community, we encourage it. But the basic etiquette here is that you don't disparage another vendor's product, and you certainly don't do it on their thread that's explicitly about their product or solution. Make a positive case for your own products and we will all engage with you in kind.

Personally, I'm very much looking forward to seeing what you come up with, and whether you are able to overcome the signed bootloader limitation that is unique (at least for Lotus) to the Emira ECM.

Thanks again for being a part of this community, and let's all make cars go fast together.

I do not understand how people are seeing what I posted as "disparaging".

none of what I said was derogatory whatsoever. Nowhere in my entire post did I say anything inherently bad or faulty about the product.

But is explaining how it works now considered disparaging?
On the contrary SEVERAL people are having REAL issues with these units and we explained our interpretation of the cause. We even posted a concept on how JB4 could update their tool to get around such issues.

But because we are a "competing vendor" it is seen as disparaging.

I guess because we are a vendor we are not allowed to talk about the *real* issues people are having with those products? It actually seems there is some "active gatekeeping" about it too because we have PM's from people who have problems but seem reluctant to talk about it publicly due to perceived backlash.


My post was impartial and neutral, I even said the exact same things can happen from a bad ECU tune as well.


Product A has an issue. Vendor B explains the possible cause for the REAL ISSUE, and it's disparaging. That's ridiculous.

 

[VF Tuner]

I was trying to find your posts in the other thread about the limitations of the Emira ECU relating to piggyback tune vs. a flash tune, but it looks like they were deleted. For those of us new to the lotus platform would you mind reposting what you said? Thank you!

Sorry but I guess we will not be allowed to talk about it without risk of post deletion or being banned from the forum. Sorry.

 

[Davidexige]

Sorry but I guess we will not be allowed to talk about it without risk of post deletion or being banned from the forum. Sorry.

That truly is a shame as I personally thought your deleted posts contained probably the most insightful information I’ve read on here in quite some time.

 

[Blackthought_]

Sorry but I guess we will not be allowed to talk about it without risk of post deletion or being banned from the forum. Sorry.

Cmon man that is not cool. The mods are telling you how you should approach this and yet you go back and forth with why what you are doing is not wrong.

You are an unknown vendor with a non existent product at the moment. We love competition and want products to be brought to market but you are tanking your reputation based on how you are handling this.

 

[sbproducer]

Sorry but I guess we will not be allowed to talk about it without risk of post deletion or being banned from the forum. Sorry.

I think what the forum staff member was trying to get at was that it would have been more appropriate to post in this thread. I didn't think that your comments were disparaging because you merely stating what you believed to be facts and you even provided potential solutions.. that being said... As far as .. could it have been done in better taste?... its a bit subjective but when it comes to cars and money... people get emotional. I think its time to put this behind us. We need solutions.

I personally am very interested in your product(s) and I'm sure many of the forum members are. And even the members that felt some kind of way about your posts... may be the ones that buy your products and end up supporting you.

I'm asking that you share your knowledge on this forum and your solutions and reasoning. Please do in this thread. And might I add... you'll have extremely good disparagement protection from the staff members.

 

[sbproducer]

Cmon man that is not cool. The mods are telling you how you should approach this and yet you go back and forth with why what you are doing is not wrong.

You are an unknown vendor with a non existent product at the moment. We love competition and want products to be brought to market but you are tanking your reputation based on how you are handling this.

Honestly, you could have kept this to yourself. It doesn't contribute at all. And no, he didn't tank his reputation. People get emotional.. and we get over it. It's not a big deal imo. Why would you discourage a vendor with potential solutions that could seriously benefit the community?

 

[VF Tuner]

Cmon man that is not cool. The mods are telling you how you should approach this and yet you go back and forth with why what you are doing is not wrong.

You are an unknown vendor with a non existent product at the moment. We love competition and want products to be brought to market but you are tanking your reputation based on how you are handling this.

Go look at our products for other lotuses.

We currently have the most comprehensive tuning solution *on the planet* for the Evora.

We currently working with several tier 1 vendors and OEM manufacturers for CARB approval and emissions testing with our software.

We also currently have the most comprehensive tuning solution *in the world* for Toyota and Lexus.

You can extrapolate from that before making such a statement.

 

[VF Tuner]

Did you get past the lotus layer security? does that mean the i4 ecu can also be remapped? Looking at your website, y’all seem to focus on Toyota off-roading so wasn’t sure if y’all have any interest in tuning the i4 engine. Would be great if you could provide a solution to the lotus security layer and then we could use other platforms to remap if y’all aren’t interested in tuning the i4s.

We may have a solution for the AMG emira. Will know more soon on that.

 

[jamesbxxx]

When can we expect some specific features for the V6 you’re running? I’m keen on a tune to optimise running on E5 97-99 RON Fuel (with decat and high flow filter). A softer rev limiter at 7000 in sport and track would be great.

 

[djprov431]

I had an active order for another tuner and opted to cancel the order and see where this lands --- V6 manual -- let's do it.

 

[David s]

I do not understand how people are seeing what I posted as "disparaging".

none of what I said was derogatory whatsoever. Nowhere in my entire post did I say anything inherently bad or faulty about the product.

But is explaining how it works now considered disparaging?
On the contrary SEVERAL people are having REAL issues with these units and we explained our interpretation of the cause. We even posted a concept on how JB4 could update their tool to get around such issues.

But because we are a "competing vendor" it is seen as disparaging.

I guess because we are a vendor we are not allowed to talk about the *real* issues people are having with those products? It actually seems there is some "active gatekeeping" about it too because we have PM's from people who have problems but seem reluctant to talk about it publicly due to perceived backlash.


My post was impartial and neutral, I even said the exact same things can happen from a bad ECU tune as well.


Product A has an issue. Vendor B explains the possible cause for the REAL ISSUE, and it's disparaging. That's ridiculous.

"SEVERAL' people...really. All I can see is one person in Spain who probably has a dud unit that won`t switch to map 2, and another who will remove his and try sell it due to warranty anxiety. The majority of JB4 purchasers have reported nothing but good. What most of us want to achieve from this topic is to hear from anyone who has LEGITIMATE problems with the unit....and buy that, I don`t mean "Iv`e got a dud unit".....I mean, "the unit took out my 6th cylinder" or something like that. Currently we are getting indecipherable crap from you, and a bunch of Spaniards who obviously spend TOO much time in the sun and probably haven`t worked out how to switch on the bluetooth device. So lets get our stuff straight and keep each other informed. I still want to hear about what your product does...or will do, so keep it in that mode.

 

[VR1]

Sorry but I guess we will not be allowed to talk about it without risk of post deletion or being banned from the forum. Sorry.

Coming from the BMW community I have little interest in a piggyback tune, but seeing your info on how the V6 ECU doesn’t even have robust knock protection at higher RPMs was quite alarming - I bet most V6 owners don’t know that (and this level of information IMO should be known to anyone looking to purchase a tune). I totally understand you wanting to share this info as every V6 owner looking to tune their car should have this level of knowledge (but most do not).

IMO I would urge you to reconsider sharing this information - it was the most technically useful information shared in that entire thread! If not I would be happy discussing offline because I would really like to reread that info.

 

[David s]

Coming from the BMW community I have little interest in a piggyback tune, but seeing your info on how the V6 ECU doesn’t even have robust knock protection at higher RPMs was quite alarming - I bet most V6 owners don’t know that (and this level of information IMO should be known to anyone looking to purchase a tune). I totally understand you wanting to share this info as every V6 owner looking to tune their car should have this level of knowledge (but most do not).

IMO I would urge you to reconsider sharing this information - it was the most technically useful information shared in that entire thread! If not I would be happy discussing offline because I would really like to reread that info.

Better elaborate on what you just wrote. Iv`e spoken to Lotus engineers who have very close knowledge on the ECU and this is news to them.

 

[VR1]

Better elaborate on what you just wrote. Iv`e spoken to Lotus engineers who have very close knowledge on the ECU and this is news to them.

I’m not the right guy to provide more info since I’m just an end user customer - but I would love to learn in more detail the ECU info VF was discussing in the other thread!

 

[VF Tuner]

Better elaborate on what you just wrote. Iv`e spoken to Lotus engineers who have very close knowledge on the ECU and this is news to them.

I can show the code that this is to be the case in lotus code on the T4 and T6 ecus.

I'm not here to make hype or drama. We reverse engineer their code, and what was said stands.

On their T6 ecu the code is very bare bone. It is not even comparable to other OEMs.

 

[VF Tuner]

"SEVERAL' people...really. All I can see is one person in Spain who probably has a dud unit that won`t switch to map 2, and another who will remove his and try sell it due to warranty anxiety. The majority of JB4 purchasers have reported nothing but good. What most of us want to achieve from this topic is to hear from anyone who has LEGITIMATE problems with the unit....and buy that, I don`t mean "Iv`e got a dud unit".....I mean, "the unit took out my 6th cylinder" or something like that. Currently we are getting indecipherable crap from you, and a bunch of Spaniards who obviously spend TOO much time in the sun and probably haven`t worked out how to switch on the bluetooth device. So lets get our stuff straight and keep each other informed. I still want to hear about what your product does...or will do, so keep it in that mode.

First, we specifically states what we were talking about was only the V6.
And we have PMs from at least two different people who have encountered issues.

Again, as I said I am not saying it's a faulty product or even bad design, it's just working with a bare-bone calibration, which I explained in detail before it was deleted.


Anyways, I do not want to discuss it further. Those owners can discuss it.

We will just discuss how the ECU works and the maps, tables, limitations, etc. Then people can form their own conclusions

 

[Rupes]

Just when I thought this forum was getting less interesting...