Tesla Flying Car

[MickOpalak]

When Lotus finally rolls out the Horse powered Emira, they should build an equally fake “prototype” of one that turns into an actual submarine, just to let Tesla know that we all know they’re full of shit.

 

[GrahamClark_60-68]

Of course, there's no way that feature would ever be approved in the US for street use.

There were no appovals (or denials) when Tesla first launched its driver assist features to the publc and on public roads and it took years for the oversight and regulations to catch up. Musk knowingly and willingly exploited this gap in order to obtain millions of miles of feedback data in real conditions on real roads that would otherwise have been impossible to obtain, enabling Tesla to iterate and improve the algorithms.

Overall good for self-driving technology, however it came at the predictable cost of accidents and deaths, many by people who put far too much trust in the system.. Elan contributed to this faith by calling it full self driving, IMO VERY misleading. This continues today, and I'm honestly concered about many of my very intelligent friends who have experienced first hand how remarkably well it performs all circumstances they've encountered without realizing exactly how close the system may be to failing in some cases.

I'm no expert for sure, but I worked for many years in the safety critical software arena, (and at one point for this man, https://dawnproject.com/about-us/ who in recent years has campaigned for tighter scrutiny of FSD) so I've formed my sometimes controversial opinions from that backdrop. I can tell you this for sure, Tesla's FSD is SAE level 2, recognized this way pretty much worldwide, will likely not be level 4 anytime soon (and a good reason is that requires Tesla to take full responsbility for accidents and death, whereas level 2 is all on the driver), and level 5 is many many years away.

Bottom line before I retreat on this, and try to give this thread back to the Roadster discussion: Be safe out there and don't let your guard down on FSD. No matter how good it seems to perform, it still requires the driver to be ready to take control at all times.

Cheers mates! Now back to our regularly scheduled program?

 

[Foosh]

There were no appovals (or denials) when Tesla first launched its driver assist features to the publc and on public roads and it took years for the oversight and regulations to catch up. Musk knowingly and willingly exploited this gap in order to obtain millions of miles of feedback data in real conditions on real roads that would otherwise have been impossible to obtain, enabling Tesla to iterate and improve the algorithms.

Overall good for self-driving technology, however it came at the predictable cost of accidents and deaths, many by people who put far too much trust in the system.. Elan contributed to this faith by calling it full self driving, IMO VERY misleading. This continues today, and I'm honestly concered about many of my very intelligent friends who have experienced first hand how remarkably well it performs all circumstances they've encountered without realizing exactly how close the system may be to failing in some cases.

I'm no expert for sure, but I worked for many years in the safety critical software arena, (and at one point for this man, https://dawnproject.com/about-us/ who in recent years has campaigned for tighter scrutiny of FSD) so I've formed my sometimes controversial opinions from that backdrop. I can tell you this for sure, Tesla's FSD is SAE level 2, recognized this way pretty much worldwide, will likely not be level 4 anytime soon (and a good reason is that requires Tesla to take full responsbility for accidents and death, whereas level 2 is all on the driver), and level 5 is many many years away.

Bottom line before I retreat on this, and try to give this thread back to the Roadster discussion: Be safe out there and don't let your guard down on FSD. No matter how good it seems to perform, it still requires the driver to be ready to take control at all times.

Cheers mates! Now back to our regularly scheduled program?

Yes, that was blatant violation of US NHTSA regulations, which should have resulted in large fines and regulatory actions taken against Tesla. It did not for reasons I won't get into here. I'm sure there were career NTHSA safety specialists that wanted to take action, but were not allowed to.

I've been following this process for many years now, and I've never seen another manufacturer so blatantly ignore the rules.

 

[GrahamClark_60-68]

Yes, that was blatant violation of US NHTSA regulations, which should have resulted in large fines and regulatory actions taken against Tesla. It did not for reasons I won't get into here. I'm sure there were career NTHSA safety specialists that wanted to take action, but were not allowed to.

I've been following this process for many years now, and I've never seen another manufacturer so blatantly ignore the rules.

Yup. Which is why it's hard for me to rule out seeing rockets on a Tesla on a public road near me sometime soon. Maybe this year. Considering I live in California. THERE, I got the thread back to the Roadster !!

 

[Foosh]

Yup. Which is why it's hard for me to rule out seeing rockets on a Tesla on a public road near me sometime soon. Maybe this year. Considering I live in California. THERE, I got the thread back to the Roadster !!

Your skepticism is understandable, but some things are too blatant to ignore, and rocket thrusters on street cars are certainly in that class. I also suspect that it was explained away to be primarily just a "super cruise control" feature, which many other vehicles are equipped with now.

I'm so used to the process now, it has become automatic. It's not worth it to deal with the hassle of taking it to dealer and paying for the software flash. Lane assist is non-intrusive, and the fatigue alert gets turned off with a steering wheel button while my hands are on the wheel.