Lotus Emira V6 ECU Tune - Bench Flash

[VF Tuner]

Cool.
I take it then, with your tune @ 500hp+, you'll be giving some sort of warranty against mechanical engine failure resulting from the remap/boost increase?

since we cannot determine how someone drives and treats their vehicles or even the condition of the vehicle prior to tuning we cannot offer this.

If you are not comfortable tuning your V6 with our solution that is perfectly acceptable. Although I am confident it will be *safer* than the current piggyback.

 

[Milk242]

I’m sorry, but who would provide warranty on a tune?

I would expect the tuner to be testing their solution on their own vehicle first and to be fairly conservative on the remaps and maybe offer discounts to locals to also refine their tune on their shop’s dyno after they know it won’t blow up the engine.

 

[JonFuller]

I’m sorry, but who would provide warranty on a tune?

I was being facetious to make a point.
However, If I had a car from new, covered say, 10000 miles driving hard, no problems, got a 'tune' from somewhere, who swore blind it was safe, and 100 miles later had piston failure, warranty or not, I'd be very unhappy and doing a lot of finger pointing.

 

[VF Tuner]

I was being facetious to make a point.
However, If I had a car from new, covered say, 10000 miles driving hard, no problems, get a 'tune' from somewhere, who swore blind it was safe, and 100 miles later had piston failure, warranty or not, I'd be very unhappy.

Where did we swear blindly that it is safe?
Go look at what we have done on the Evoras.
it's the exact same powertrain.....

go look at high horsepower 2GRFE MR2s...again..same engine.

I'm not just making this stuff up out of thin air.

 

[JonFuller]

Where did we swear blindly that it is safe?
Go look at what we have done on the Evoras.
it's the exact same powertrain.....

go look at high horsepower 2GRFE MR2s...again..same engine.

I'm not just making this stuff up out of thin air.

Well you're inferring it here:

"We ran our Evora on the track for 6 hours straight banging off 7400 RPM for hours. Zero problems.
Running highest boost (smallest) pulley currently available. The one we specifically had made.


Sorry to say but the "old info" that these lotus guys put out is just that. Old. MR2 guys run stock 2GRs to over 600 horsepower all day.

I believe the current 2GR stock bottom end record is like 850 horsepower"

All that 'old info' is rubbish, JUBU blow everything up, despite only making 15hp, we're "all knowing", just give it a 1000hp shot of nitrous, everything will be fine.

OK, I'm being silly now, but if it's SOO safe to go above 500 on a stock motor, stand by it.

 

[VF Tuner]

Well you're inferring it here:

"We ran our Evora on the track for 6 hours straight banging off 7400 RPM for hours. Zero problems.
Running highest boost (smallest) pulley currently available. The one we specifically had made.


Sorry to say but the "old info" that these lotus guys put out is just that. Old. MR2 guys run stock 2GRs to over 600 horsepower all day.

I believe the current 2GR stock bottom end record is like 850 horsepower"

Please tell me what is the difference between an Evora GT engine and an Emira engine.
or any other 2GR FE for that matter...

the conclusion given is from actual reality... you refusing to believe that is your own personal choice.

again I go back to the same statement which you ignored. JB4 offers up to 470WHP on the Emira. That means they should be blowing up right?

Does JB4 offer engine warranties?

Man I really feel like the Emmira community harps on ANYTHING we try to offer. seriously. Our SC lid.. tuning. what's next.

 

[VF Tuner]

Well you're inferring it here:

"We ran our Evora on the track for 6 hours straight banging off 7400 RPM for hours. Zero problems.
Running highest boost (smallest) pulley currently available. The one we specifically had made.


Sorry to say but the "old info" that these lotus guys put out is just that. Old. MR2 guys run stock 2GRs to over 600 horsepower all day.

I believe the current 2GR stock bottom end record is like 850 horsepower"

All that 'old info' is rubbish, JUBU blow everything up, despite only making 15hp, we're all knowing, just give it a 1000hp shot of nitrous, everything will be fine.

OK, I'm being silly now, but if it's SOO safe to go above 500 on a stock motor, stand by it.

Did you give anywhere near this level of critique and attacking towards JB4?



sigh......

 

[JonFuller]

Does JB4 offer engine warranties?

I have no Idea, I don't have one, never spoken to them.

I'm just sticking up for JUBU a bit, as I can't see a reason they'd choose to limit power increases as they do, without very good reason. They simply must have seen issues when exceeding the figures they'll go to on stock motors, otherwise they'd be flogging 1000hp motors for 50 bucks too.

I come from the world of powerboat racing. In that world, I have lost count of the number of folk that turn up with 'tuned' motors, usually from the car/drag scene, gobbing off about big hp numbers, and 20 mins into a race, they have a bilge full of scrap engine parts, as flat-out boat racing will find the slightest chink in the armour of a supposed strong motor. I think severe track use is similarly testing, not quite as tough, but similar. With fast road use, you can probably get away with murder, as it's near impossible to rag a motor on the street, with the kind of duty cycle seen on track.

Just my 2c

By the way, JUBU say, everything is fine with the stock V6 motor, until you exceed 500nm (370ft-lbs) of torque, that's when you'll start to see piston issues when pushed hard on track. This is why they 'reduce' boost on their 460, purely to keep it at 500nm.

I wish you the very best of luck with the Emira tune.

 

[NJemira85]

Please tell me what is the difference between an Evora GT engine and an Emira engine.
or any other 2GR FE for that matter...

the conclusion given is from actual reality... you refusing to believe that is your own personal choice.

again I go back to the same statement which you ignored. JB4 offers up to 470WHP on the Emira. That means they should be blowing up right?

Does JB4 offer engine warranties?

Man I really feel like the Emmira community harps on ANYTHING we try to offer. seriously. Our SC lid.. tuning. what's next.

Just to confirm here: all you need is someone to send a spare ecu, and it can drop shipped to you from dealership?

Dealership doesn’t have to code the spare ecu onto car before it gets sent to you?

8895932333 ASO V6 ECM (https://lotusparts.prestigeimports.com/p/Lotus__/ECM-PROGRAMMED/147806801/8895932333.html)

Can you confirm this so the correct item? If so I will drop ship to you. I’d also like full ecu image of the stock ecu.

What is your address?

 

[jp129]

Please tell me what is the difference between an Evora GT engine and an Emira engine.
or any other 2GR FE for that matter...

the conclusion given is from actual reality... you refusing to believe that is your own personal choice.

again I go back to the same statement which you ignored. JB4 offers up to 470WHP on the Emira. That means they should be blowing up right?

Does JB4 offer engine warranties?

Man I really feel like the Emmira community harps on ANYTHING we try to offer. seriously. Our SC lid.. tuning. what's next.

I'm really confused here. I see more folks showing interest and asking questions about your ECU work vs harping on you. It's a forum, there's going to be a wide range of folks, what do you expect?

I see member @TFS pretty quick to offer you his ECU? I also see @NJemira85 offering as well. Isn't that more telling of serious interest vs some banter? Publicly we see 2 tester that are willing, like right now...

Just let your product do the talking. I'm confident, if your product works as advertised, you're going to have a backlog of work man.

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[Mr. Sparkle]

Man I really feel like the Emmira community harps on ANYTHING we try to offer. seriously. Our SC lid.. tuning. what's next.

I don't think it's fair to generalize the entirety of Emira owners or even this just this forum based on the few critical comments you've received (most from just a few repeat users or the hardcore JUBU supporters). Most people seem to just be asking honest questions about your offerings.

There's tons of people on here and elsewhere who just quietly observe and are eagerly awaiting various modification/tuning options as they become available, myself included.

Ultimately it's your decision on which platforms to pursue. Being that the Emira is almost identical to other platforms you currently support it seems like a no brainer to include, most of the legwork being already done.

All that just to say, I think that the vast majority of forum members who never comment are in support of what you're trying to do for us here.

 

[me73]

No Idea, I don't have one.

I'm just sticking up for JUBU a bit, as I can't see a reason they'd choose to limit power increases as they do, without very good reason. They simply must have seen issues when exceeding the figures they'll go to on stock motors, otherwise they'd be flogging 1000hp motors for 50 bucks too.

I come from the world of powerboat racing. In that world, I have lost count of the number of folk that turn up with 'tuned' motors, usually from the car/drag scene, gobbing off about big hp numbers, and 20 mins into a race, they have a bilge full of scrap engine parts, as flat-out boat racing will find the slightest chink in the armour of a supposed strong motor. I think severe track use is similarly testing, not quite as tough, but similar. Fast road use, you can probably get away with murder, as it's near impossible to rag a motor on the street, with the kind of duty cycle seen on track.

Just my 2c

By the way, JUBU say, everything is fine with the stock V6 motor, until you exceed 500nm (370ft-lbs) of torque, that's when you'll start to see piston issues when pushed hard on track. This is why they 'reduce' boost on their 460, purely to keep it at 500nm.

I wish you the very best of luck with the Emira tune.

From your description here, you know that a good tune and a powerful tune are completely orthogonal things. Some vendor may be claiming relatively mundane power numbers and blowing up engines. That, in no way, means another tuner can't make the same (or some other power level) safely. It just doesn't make sense to make the claim.

Some bring up piggy back tunes. Even with the best tuner, the piggy back is one step removed from the control loop and could easily miss, be delayed in reaction to, or incorrectly read data that the ECU would see. And then who knows how many ways and ECU can respond to the data a piggy back feeds it? It mostly depends on who's doing the tuning, but there are other factors involved as well.

But that doesn't mean I would just jump into a product that a vendor has never tested on my car either. The Evora and Emira may have the same hardware but is the ECU the same? No. I would want to see hours of operation or at least dyno runs with AFRs on MY MODEL before I trusted any aftermarket tune. Dynos are only max throttle so there can be problems with the map that will not show up on a full throttle dyno as well.

 

[MIGZ]

Please tell me what is the difference between an Evora GT engine and an Emira engine.
or any other 2GR FE for that matter...

the conclusion given is from actual reality... you refusing to believe that is your own personal choice.

again I go back to the same statement which you ignored. JB4 offers up to 470WHP on the Emira. That means they should be blowing up right?

Does JB4 offer engine warranties?

Man I really feel like the Emmira community harps on ANYTHING we try to offer. seriously. Our SC lid.. tuning. what's next.

With all due respect, I think the community is just asking questions they want to understand.

You came in a bit hot and heavy criticizing JB4 when they released their solution. So we all perked up to hear what you had to say since most of us don't have the expertise you have so we are forced to ask questions to learn.

That being said so far JB4 has proven to be a decent solution, with as far as I know no engines going BOOM. I am still very interested in your claims of higher rev limit.

As several have suggested are your willing to sponsor a local car with your tune and do a dyno in you shop to show some evidence?

As of right now we hear you say the Evora set up will work on the emira, in the past others have suggested its not that simple. You very well may have cracked the case that others couldn't , I would just like to see the evidence of that in a running car before I spend money on an ECU and Tune.

When will you be able to show video, pictures, 3rd party testimony something of it working, that's all I am asking?

 

[me73]

Please tell me what is the difference between an Evora GT engine and an Emira engine.
or any other 2GR FE for that matter...

the conclusion given is from actual reality... you refusing to believe that is your own personal choice.

again I go back to the same statement which you ignored. JB4 offers up to 470WHP on the Emira. That means they should be blowing up right?

Does JB4 offer engine warranties?

Man I really feel like the Emmira community harps on ANYTHING we try to offer. seriously. Our SC lid.. tuning. what's next.

I don't know, I see BOE, Fred, Shinoo and Greg get questions that are way more inquisitive and probing. I have never, ever seen any of them react negatively towards the community. Maybe you're having a bad day, but you're dealing with customers here.

 

[VF Tuner]

Just to confirm here: all you need is someone to send a spare ecu, and it can drop shipped to you from dealership?

Dealership doesn’t have to code the spare ecu onto car before it gets sent to you?

8895932333 ASO V6 ECM (https://lotusparts.prestigeimports.com/p/Lotus__/ECM-PROGRAMMED/147806801/8895932333.html)

Can you confirm this so the correct item? If so I will drop ship to you. I’d also like full ecu image of the stock ecu.

What is your address?

It looks right but I would recommend go to the dealer in person to ensure they offer correctly. First time I tried they send the wrong thing.

That link doesn’t specify (or I can’t find it) where it shows it’s for the v6.


I can’t say for certain yet if it will need VIN programmed or not from the dealer before or after.
I ordered mine directly from the dealer with my car there and they got the exact one (after messing up first time) and it was programmed to my car.

It may have came from lotus like that so they will probably need your VIN

 

[VF Tuner]

With all due respect, I think the community is just asking questions they want to understand.

You came in a bit hot and heavy criticizing JB4 when they released their solution. So we all perked up to hear what you had to say since most of us don't have the expertise you have so we are forced to ask questions to learn.

That being said so far JB4 has proven to be a decent solution, with as far as I know no engines going BOOM. I am still very interested in your claims of higher rev limit.

As several have suggested are your willing to sponsor a local car with your tune and do a dyno in you shop to show some evidence?

As of right now we hear you say the Evora set up will work on the emira, in the past others have suggested its not that simple. You very well may have cracked the case that others couldn't , I would just like to see the evidence of that in a running car before I spend money on an ECU and Tune.

When will you be able to show video, pictures, 3rd party testimony something of it working, that's all I am asking?

I did not criticize the JB4 I criticized the combination of it with the v6 ECU which lacks additional protection controls. My post was taken out of context if you think that I was criticizing the JB4 directly.

 

[VF Tuner]

I saw the post about taking in an ECU in exchange for unbiased proof it works.

That’s perfectly acceptable to me.
But before I do that give me a little time, I want to show you guys “on the bench” the ECU works / responds / etc.

Also the v6 ECU isn’t super easy to get to, taking it in and out several times can be annoying so we want it to go very smoothly from the start.

 

[VF Tuner]

And if I am being abrasive or coming off as angry I apologize. I take my work very seriously and I don’t really post “maybes” or “ I’ll figure it out later” type of stuff.

All of this is well documented on what we already did.

The ECU is not the same as the EVORA but the power train is. The calibration is extremely similar, etc.

 

[NJemira85]

We would like to inquire how many people would be interested in a BENCH flash (mail in ECU to us, or mail spare ECU) for their V6 Emira?
Spare ECUs can be bought from your local dealership, we bought ours, cost is about $1k.

VF Tuner has already done *extensive* tuning and testing on the Evora 400 / Evora Gt, which the maps and tables are nearly identical.


Bench Flash Cost: $1199
Turn around time: 4-6 days

Choice of tune will need to be told to us before we flash the ECU.

We have ready to go tunes for the following:

Rev limit: 7200 or 7400 (user choice)
91 or 93 octane (user choice)
Stock vehicle
Exhaust (but stock header)
Aftermarket header + full exhaust

Tunes for smaller pulleys (already tested on the Evora GT)
With/without exhaust modifications
2.9 pulley
2.8 pulley
2.7 pulley
2.6 pulley (VF Tuner did the testing on this pulley for the Evora GT Community)
We have also solved the TORQUE limiting (throttle limit) on smaller pulleys as well.

Basically, VF Tuner has already extensively tested and dyno'd nearly every modification combination there is on the Evora GT, which the Emira v6 is practically identical to.
VF tuner has also track *abused* our GT at 7400 RPM to test durability.

(some values shown are raw dat)
Example tables:
rev limit sets (by time and Engine temp)


Features and gains
- no more "hitting the wall" rev limit. You can bounce off the limiter
Est gains:
stock vehicle : 50-60hp gain
Stock pulley + bolt ons 70-90+hp gain
2.8 pulley + bolt ons 100-130+ HP gain
2.7 pulley + bolt ons 120-150+ HP gain
2.6 pulley + bolt ons 160-200+ hp gain

I believe that alientech can only identify/control 10ish out of the 180+ tables for the emira g6 ecu. (For now)

How many tables are you able to control using your system?

 

[Porter]

I have no Idea, I don't have one, never spoken to them.

I'm just sticking up for JUBU a bit, as I can't see a reason they'd choose to limit power increases as they do, without very good reason. They simply must have seen issues when exceeding the figures they'll go to on stock motors, otherwise they'd be flogging 1000hp motors for 50 bucks too.

I come from the world of powerboat racing. In that world, I have lost count of the number of folk that turn up with 'tuned' motors, usually from the car/drag scene, gobbing off about big hp numbers, and 20 mins into a race, they have a bilge full of scrap engine parts, as flat-out boat racing will find the slightest chink in the armour of a supposed strong motor. I think severe track use is similarly testing, not quite as tough, but similar. With fast road use, you can probably get away with murder, as it's near impossible to rag a motor on the street, with the kind of duty cycle seen on track.

Just my 2c

By the way, JUBU say, everything is fine with the stock V6 motor, until you exceed 500nm (370ft-lbs) of torque, that's when you'll start to see piston issues when pushed hard on track. This is why they 'reduce' boost on their 460, purely to keep it at 500nm.

I wish you the very best of luck with the Emira tune.

There's no reason to stick up for JUBU or anyone else here. They can speak for themselves if they want to do so, though preferably not in this thread because this is VF's solution info post.

A point of info: Generally speaking, this community does not react well to vendors who exhibit aggressive or dismissive behavior toward their customers. That goes for JUBU, VF, and every other vendor. The Lotus community are mostly very reasonable, affable people, but are also typically very successful and high functioning in their personal lives and are very intelligent consumers when it comes to assignation of disposable income to a mod budget. They expect to deal in good faith with mutual respect, and when they sense a lack of either, they get snippy very quickly.

Just wanted to level set... There's absolutely no reason for anyone here to snipe, cross-defend their favorite vendor, or any other dysfunctional internet mock combat. We all have the same goals and want to see great technical solutions developed and delivered for these cars. Let's all leave the egos and the irritation off the forum if we can.

VF, over to you. Really rooting for you to see this solution come to market. Keep us in the loop as it goes, and we will match your positive energy if you bring it.


TL;DR - Y'all let VF cook, the man is on a roll. More solutions good!