I'm out - the cancellations thread
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Have you driven the LC500? I rented one for a day. It is definitely not boring unless you want it to be.
Lotustoronto
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Only thing I will add... Toyota did try to do what Lotus, Porsche, Ferrari etc. do. They made the LFA. But since they are quality obssesed and over engineer everything (not a bad thing) the project cost 1 billion to develop and every one was sold at a loss. Still a pretty damn special car tho.
Same here, but it's the electronics that worries me.
Lotustoronto
Emira Addict
I have, its amazingly built.... but ya, its still boring next to an Emira. IMO. But I completely see the appeal to why someone would want one.Have you driven the LC500? I rented one for a day. It is definitely not boring unless you want it to be.
Then again, if you also had an Ariel Atom or BAC Mono, the Emira would probably seem a bit boring.
Cachaco131
Emira Maniac
I have not. I'm talking looks, brand and what Lexus means to me. But it may well be a fine performance car.Have you driven the LC500? I rented one for a day. It is definitely not boring unless you want it to be.
I test drove an LC 500 as well, little over a year ago. Many people misunderstand the actual point of the LC. It's not a sports car, it's a GT car. And it's brilliant for that.Have you driven the LC500? I rented one for a day. It is definitely not boring unless you want it to be.
I can't tell you how many reviews I've seen where they claim this to the best car they've ever driven. Period. Even Mark @savagegeese leased one for himself and he is very hard to impress. No it's not perfect, but that's why many speak of it's "character" and "soul." Almost Jekyll and Hyde.
I'll agree. The Emira type car is dying. You've got the Supra or the G86, MX-5, Cayman in a more reasonable price range. But I feel you need to be under the age of 40 for the first two.
The Emira's production is just beginning. I really feel that anyone who wants one, will eventually be able to get one (in the US and UK at least). Look how many are available in the UK on the second hand market.
If the Emira checks all the boxes of your dream car and you're fine with how Lotus operates and the high probability of needing repairs on some thing or another, then Lotus is for you. For me...it checks many boxes. But it also leaves some with question marks. And to be honest...it was the Emira's looks paired it's low introductory price that even got me on the bandwagon to begin with. HOW CAN A CAR THAT LOOKS LIKE THIS COST THAT? AND IT'S SUPPOSED TO DRIVE LIKE NOTHING I'VE EXPERIENCED TOO??? Well, you know what they say, "if it seems to good to be true..."
As the wait got longer, the pricing went up and the owner issues started, more question marks started filling my Emira dream car boxes than check marks.
Negative zero interest in the Lexus LC 500. Maybe if I was 70 to 80 years old. It represents everything I do not want in a car. People carry on and on about the Emira problems. It is nothing
new for a new model and not exclusive to Lotus. I just read how the Maserati MC 20 had a major recall because they could catch on fire from leaking gas. Corvette has its own problems and so does McClaren. If you want to make it seem like it is just Lotus you are wrong.
new for a new model and not exclusive to Lotus. I just read how the Maserati MC 20 had a major recall because they could catch on fire from leaking gas. Corvette has its own problems and so does McClaren. If you want to make it seem like it is just Lotus you are wrong.
You act like the LC500 is a big floating barge that tilts like a boat on the high sea. That is NOT the LC500 and LC500h at all.
Mark on Savage Geese has one and he and many other youtubers who love the car are far younger than 70. The LCs are not track cars; they are GT cars that are very, very comfortable - somewhat like a Jaguar F-Type but with better reliability and interior.
Lol...none of these makers are known for their reliability (sans maybe GM who's squeaks by because parts are cheap and easily accessible if there are problems).
However...Of all of them, Lotus is the only one with a "kit car" reputation. Whether deserved or not. That's how many people view them.
Actually you described it perfectly. It floats and tilts like a barge at high seas. I was behind one in my GTR and it was so unsettled in the corners I thought it was going to rollover. I was laughing hysterically, it was that bad.
Ok since you drive a 911 how about the 991.1 engine failures? I rebuilt my 911 engine 2 times at 20g a pop. I mean if you want reliable and dependable by all means buy a Honda or a Toyota.
I too think the LC500 is an old man’s car — but other cars having issues doesn’t absolve or make the Lotus problems any better — that's just whataboutism.
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Beats me. Never experienced a blown engine. Seems odd to me you'd have it happen twice. You're probably in the .5% of people to have this happen (twice). I'm sure you didn't pay for those out of pocket either.
Most people consider the 991.1 Gen pretty bullet proof. The dot 2's have had some water pump issues and a couple other minor things if I remember, but luckily Porsche stands behind those repairs. Just like the GT3's and the extended warranties. Would Lotus do that? I'm genuinely asking. I have no idea.
But I like what 'cha did there
You must of missed thisBeats me. Never experienced a blown engine. Seems odd to me you'd have it happen twice. You're probably in the .5% of people to have this happen (twice). I'm sure you didn't pay for those out of pocket either.
Most people consider the 991.1 Gen pretty bullet proof. The dot 2's have had some water pump issues and a couple other minor things if I remember, but luckily Porsche stands behind those repairs. Just like the GT3's and the extended warranties. Would Lotus do that? I'm genuinely asking. I have no idea.
But I like what 'cha did there
Some Porsche 911 GT3s Are Getting New Engines—Again
After receiving new engines a year ago, some Porsche 911 GT3 models are having a second engine replacement. Read more at Car and Driver.
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OK...but did you pay for it or did Porsche? I've never had the pleasure of owning a GT3, but I'll tell you... Even with the engine issues, I'd love to have the opportunity! Came close, but then the market went insane.You must of missed this
Some Porsche 911 GT3s Are Getting New Engines—Again
After receiving new engines a year ago, some Porsche 911 GT3 models are having a second engine replacement. Read more at Car and Driver.
Again...I've never once said thee are auto makers out there who are immune to problems. They don't exist. Shown me where I've ever said that.
What I have said is that the issues with the Emira require a much more difficult process for repairs just due to lack of dealerships and length of time to get parts. And honestly, some of the issues that are happening (without a fix in sight! Ehem windshield wipers!) do not seem like they should come from a company who's been building cars for over 60 years. Especially when the car is borrowing a lot of internals from another well known marque.
Lotustoronto
Emira Addict
Every car has it's issues... 718 4.0 needed engine replacements due to con rod failures for example. The point I was trying to make was that Lexus is the gold standard in terms of reliability. However if you want reliability, exciting driving dynamics and an automotive soul all on the same level you would need to buy an LFA.
No other manufacturer would spend 1 billion to develop a car and then sell it at a loss just to prove they could make an exciting car. Some will be more reliable than others, but what makes a car reliable usually is perfecting a formula over many model years.
As for the LC500 - It is a more boring than other sports cars, but as a GT car it is very very good. That V8 engine is a dinosaur, an extremely reliable dinosaur. (if this was my only car, I would probably buy an LC500 or a 911)
This automotive engineer basically breaks down what I am saying. This does not just apply to Toyota/lexus
No other manufacturer would spend 1 billion to develop a car and then sell it at a loss just to prove they could make an exciting car. Some will be more reliable than others, but what makes a car reliable usually is perfecting a formula over many model years.
As for the LC500 - It is a more boring than other sports cars, but as a GT car it is very very good. That V8 engine is a dinosaur, an extremely reliable dinosaur. (if this was my only car, I would probably buy an LC500 or a 911)
This automotive engineer basically breaks down what I am saying. This does not just apply to Toyota/lexus
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