I'm out - the cancellations thread

Mctaff · Dec 17, 2022

Well if only I’d get the checkout email it would force me to actually make a decision!

Pops68 · Dec 17, 2022

Sigh, this time I cancelled for real..

We have a tough year ahead next year and retiring credit debt makes more sense than tying up money for a car I won't see for another 1-2 years. My guess is if I still want an Emira by then there will be plenty to choose from! Good luck to all and I'm still gunna stalk the site to see how everthing is going.. cheers

Wake · Dec 17, 2022

Given the talk of further delays, I’m pondering not necessarily cancelling but delaying for a while longer. I’ve got 3-4 trips planned for next year that the Emira was supposed to be around for. So I’m thinking of going for an Exige 380 or perhaps 410 sport and then keeping the deposit with Lotus for a potential GT4 or Emira S which I’m sure will come in 12ish months time anyway.

They seemed have pumped out the special editions/improvements fairly quickly in the past?

tjlazer · Dec 18, 2022

This thing is amazing, I doubt I’ll go through with my emira I4 order if and when that ever becomes possible

shaank · Dec 18, 2022

Genuinely surprised so many people are cancelling, I think it's a fantastic car and it has a great reception in real life. I don't think these 30 min test drives on set routes are enough time to properly experience the car.

kitkat · Dec 18, 2022

shaank said:
Genuinely surprised so many people are cancelling, I think it's a fantastic car and it has a great reception in real life. I don't think these 30 min test drives on set routes are enough time to properly experience the car.

I’m not that surprised, for some, life isn’t long enough to wait 2+ years.

Cachaco131 · Dec 18, 2022

kitkat said:
I’m not that surprised, for some, life isn’t long enough to wait 2+ years.

But you can buy another car in the meantime, enjoy the current one, make modifications...it's not like people are forced to sit cross handed waiting.

Cachaco131 · Dec 18, 2022

And you can always watch

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Vamos Argentina...although it's not looking good.

BeHappy · Dec 18, 2022

shaank said:
Genuinely surprised so many people are cancelling, I think it's a fantastic car and it has a great reception in real life. I don't think these 30 min test drives on set routes are enough time to properly experience the car.

Totally agree lotus have been so restrictive on demo rides, not willing to offer an extended ride on a decent route even, this is the point they lost me not willing to punt £80k on something I was restricted to mostly 30/ 40 mph route, car didn’t have a chance to show me what it could do.

Magicman · Dec 18, 2022

Cachaco131 said:
But you can buy another car in the meantime, enjoy the current one, make modifications...it's not like people are forced to sit cross handed waiting.

Many people sold their current cars ages ago foolishly believing lotus would supply them with a new one, but have been lied to and strung along for month after month after month

TomE · Dec 18, 2022

Cachaco131 said:
But you can buy another car in the meantime, enjoy the current one, make modifications...it's not like people are forced to sit cross handed waiting.

Except Lotus have moved delivery dates for UK V6 FE folks six times now, and each time has usually only been 6 weeks notice of another 1-2 month delay. If you'd known in January 2022 you wouldn't see your Emira in May 2022 and it would be more like February 2023, then you could have bought something in the meantime.

I'm lucky and have other fun cars I could drive, but others missed a summer of car fun, events and touring because they kept holding on for a car coming "soon".

VL3X · Dec 18, 2022

TomE said:
Except Lotus have moved delivery dates for UK V6 FE folks six times now, and each time has usually only been 6 weeks notice of another 1-2 month delay. If you'd known in January 2022 you wouldn't see your Emira in May 2022 and it would be more like February 2023, then you could have bought something in the meantime.

I'm lucky and have other fun cars I could drive, but others missed a summer of car fun, events and touring because they kept holding on for a car coming "soon".

Exactly. I had the opportunity to buy 1 of 2 Verde Ithaca Evora GTs in the US and let it pass me by because I expected my Emira by June... then July.. then November.. and December... and now it's March. This experience has been torture.

roundincircles · Dec 18, 2022

Lotus has failed to engage with potential customers.....that's a huge cause of negativity and cancellations, amongst other reasons

Lots_Of_Trouble · Dec 19, 2022

TomE said:
Except Lotus have moved delivery dates for UK V6 FE folks six times now, and each time has usually only been 6 weeks notice of another 1-2 month delay. If you'd known in January 2022 you wouldn't see your Emira in May 2022 and it would be more like February 2023, then you could have bought something in the meantime.

I'm lucky and have other fun cars I could drive, but others missed a summer of car fun, events and touring because they kept holding on for a car coming "soon".

100% this.
Had I have known a year ago I'd still be waiting instead of the May 22 delivery, I'd have pulled out immediately.

Clever tactics by Lotus,the truth would have had a mass of cancellations,its kept us here still,but left a very sour taste in our mouths....

Yet,despite this,I'm still here.....

Boombang · Dec 19, 2022

I can't remember the estimated delivery date from when I put my deposit it, think it was early summer 22.

If hadn't elected for an I4 it may well have been arriving now and I'd be looking to sell on (as couldn't get on with the seats) so had a lucky escape.

I was fortunate enough to have a chunk of money put aside towards the Emira so bought a Caterham R300 as a stop-gap. Looks like I'm keeping that.

Hobiedick · Dec 19, 2022

TomE said:
Except Lotus have moved delivery dates for UK V6 FE folks six times now, and each time has usually only been 6 weeks notice of another 1-2 month delay. If you'd known in January 2022 you wouldn't see your Emira in May 2022 and it would be more like February 2023, then you could have bought something in the meantime.

I'm lucky and have other fun cars I could drive, but others missed a summer of car fun, events and touring because they kept holding on for a car coming "soon".

I was a pre-reveal deposit holder, oringally expecting an April/May 2022 delivery on the Emira, I sold my Evora 410 GT Sport in March this year, I wish I had kept it and got some use out of it this year. The way things are with the Emiras now I would probably have dropped out and kept the Evora. I started my checkout procedure on November 21st and as far as I can tell from LCS my car has now been at PDI for 3 weeks and no delivery dates yet, this doesn't bode well for what the status of the car is, has it failed PDI has is got parts missing or has it got other defects!!!!!!

Carbuilder · Dec 19, 2022

shaank said:
Genuinely surprised so many people are cancelling, I think it's a fantastic car and it has a great reception in real life.

If/when I cancel, it won't be because I don't like the car. It is because I don't like the way I'm being treated by Lotus; told absolutely nothing about when I can expect my car.

Anyone who has worked for a large corporation knows that you have a 2023 production plan in place at this point. Yes, it may change as time goes on, but there is no way you do not have a plan in place. So Lotus knows how many cars they will produce each month for each market country; there is no way they would go into a new year without a detailed plan in place. The issue is not sharing any of it with the customers that have paid you for your product.

Hobiedick · Dec 19, 2022

Carbuilder said:
If/when I cancel, it won't be because I don't like the car. It is because I don't like the way I'm being treated by Lotus; told absolutely nothing about when I can expect my car.

I am afraid Lotus have failed their customers by the very, very poor information communications (non-existing).

Nova · Dec 19, 2022

Carbuilder said:
If/when I cancel, it won't be because I don't like the car. It is because I don't like the way I'm being treated by Lotus; told absolutely nothing about when I can expect my car.

Anyone who has worked for a large corporation knows that you have a 2023 production plan in place at this point. Yes, it may change as time goes on, but there is no way you do not have a plan in place. So Lotus knows how many cars they will produce each month for each market country; there is no way they would go into a new year without a detailed plan in place. The issue is not sharing any of it with the customers that have paid you for your product.

Yes, but obviously their plans have not panned out. Maybe it's due to issues out of their control, or within their control, or some combination there of. Regardless, the risks of delays have become actual delays. Unless they can be certain of the risk management for their current plan, they can't have the confidence that they will be able the execute on time/budget. Limiting communications may be a part of their risk control.

SuperBusa · Dec 19, 2022

Carbuilder said:
If/when I cancel, it won't be because I don't like the car. It is because I don't like the way I'm being treated by Lotus; told absolutely nothing about when I can expect my car.

Anyone who has worked for a large corporation knows that you have a 2023 production plan in place at this point. Yes, it may change as time goes on, but there is no way you do not have a plan in place. So Lotus knows how many cars they will produce each month for each market country; there is no way they would go into a new year without a detailed plan in place. The issue is not sharing any of it with the customers that have paid you for your product.

Absolutely Spot-On interestingly I've had an INEOS Grenadier on order for similar time as a works vehicle. The difference between the 2 companies is chalk and cheese. INEOS keep in touch regularly with email updates, as they are getting close to delivery I mean every couple of weeks. Over a year ago I was out being given a test ride in a prototype one, again this May, and got to drive a near production one on a very testing off road track this October. All the time INEOS have kept in touch and made sure customers are happy. Mine is due in March and I'm really looking forward to it as a result of all the attention I have been give over 18 months. I don't think I need to tell you how Lotus have been by comparison.