All those questions I don’t truly know. I would hope as an early depositor they do the right thing and guarantee the price. Whether I’m at the back of the I4 Q I don’t know but I expect other i4 depositors to back out as interest rates rise therefore elevating me in the Q.
I'm out - the cancellations thread
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Yep enjoy I will be envious, but I’ve lost too much sleep over analysing the V6, a manual doesn’t suit me and I’m not bothered on the IPS gearbox.Brillant, With Leonard and now you mines getting more and more exclusive in the Notts Derbyshire area
Lotustoronto
Emira Addict
Hopefully Lotus get you into an i4 sometime "soon".... but in all seriousness, I do hope they help the early depositors out.
I will look out for you and 'flash'Brillant, With Leonard and now you mines getting more and more exclusive in the Notts Derbyshire area
The V’s lol
Judging by what TomE has been told re his order, it seems that you go to the back of the queue and you don't get a guarantee on the price. Although Tom has also mentioned that he is still waiting for a definitive answer on this, I believe.
Does anyone have a guarantee on the price, what if I put another order in now for an I4 am I guaranteed that price. No one knows not even Lotus. If the price rises the used 992s and Vantages will be more attractive to me.
I agree, there's no guarantee with anything at Lotus but if Matt Windle's video link that was sent directly to early depositors, stating that he personally guaranteed that the price we were quoted was the price we'd pay, does not stand up, then I for one will be walking away.
I hate to say it and I hope it won’t happen, but I will be in exactly the same position if the price is not fixed as originally stated. I will head towards other used performance cars or even the new M2 queue….
I believe the promise to hold the price was for those who had already either made a deposit, or placed an order by the time he made that video. It would be very surprising if they don't have to make an inflation adjustment going forward from that video onward. It's going to depend on whether or not Geely is willing to view the Emira as a loss-leader to get people into the brand, and count on their EV portfolio to be their profit generator.
That's how I understand it to be too. And, as someone who made a deposit prior to the video, I expect the price to be honoured.
After much deliberation I've concluded that, despite being an early depositor (7th July 2021), and a promise of a Feb build/March delivery, I am going to withdraw for a number of reasons. The same applies to my order for a Cayman GTS 4.0 that I have had running alongside to hedge my bets.
Both cars deliver on the mid-engined, manual transmission, powerful sports car brief that I was looking for but, at £80K OTR, that is too much of a commitment now that interest rates have increased. It also seems that the expectations that I had for both of these cars in terms of residuals have been reset with the softening in the second-hand car market and the overall cost of ownership starts to look quite challenging for something non-essential. Servicing costs and nearest dealership being a 180 mile round trip are also a consideration. Additionally, being new, neither of these car could happily be pressed into action as a daily driver for me and, for that, I will stick with my Golf R.
I have, however, decided to go ahead with the purchase of a manual Cayman 981S with just 14,000 miles that is effectively half the price of the Emira or GTS 4.0 yet I believe will deliver 80% to 90% of real world driving pleasure - I appreciate that this is a very personal thing. It could also be more readily pressed into daily use if needed as its value is such that this is less of a concern and is covered by the Porsche warranty which I will extend in due course. With sports exhaust it sounds great, it is more compact and should depreciate less albeit only offering me 325 bhp but carrying less weight.
To all of you on the forum that go ahead with the Emira I wish you the very best - it is a car that captured my imagination like the Lancia Stratos or Ferrari 308 GTB of my childhood. On this occasion my head is going to rule my heart but I know that I will have pangs of regret every time I see a Nimbus Grey with black pack out on the roads.......... I may be back in the second hand market one day!!
Both cars deliver on the mid-engined, manual transmission, powerful sports car brief that I was looking for but, at £80K OTR, that is too much of a commitment now that interest rates have increased. It also seems that the expectations that I had for both of these cars in terms of residuals have been reset with the softening in the second-hand car market and the overall cost of ownership starts to look quite challenging for something non-essential. Servicing costs and nearest dealership being a 180 mile round trip are also a consideration. Additionally, being new, neither of these car could happily be pressed into action as a daily driver for me and, for that, I will stick with my Golf R.
I have, however, decided to go ahead with the purchase of a manual Cayman 981S with just 14,000 miles that is effectively half the price of the Emira or GTS 4.0 yet I believe will deliver 80% to 90% of real world driving pleasure - I appreciate that this is a very personal thing. It could also be more readily pressed into daily use if needed as its value is such that this is less of a concern and is covered by the Porsche warranty which I will extend in due course. With sports exhaust it sounds great, it is more compact and should depreciate less albeit only offering me 325 bhp but carrying less weight.
To all of you on the forum that go ahead with the Emira I wish you the very best - it is a car that captured my imagination like the Lancia Stratos or Ferrari 308 GTB of my childhood. On this occasion my head is going to rule my heart but I know that I will have pangs of regret every time I see a Nimbus Grey with black pack out on the roads.......... I may be back in the second hand market one day!!
The market is slowing down, especially over winter. 981s has a nice exhaust note.. enjoy
Good luck. You won't be disappointed with the Cayman. I'd have another 981S or GTS in a heartbeat. They sound incredible and tick a lot of boxes for sub 40k
Everything I've read and watched indicates how well liked they are by everyone who has had or driven one. I was looking at the GTS but they are incredibly hard to find with the right spec so have settled with the S but one with all the right options and low mileage.
Yup that sums it up as you simply cannot find them for sale anymore. Particularly with a manual box.
Once folk have them they keep them. Only car I regret selling as well
You will enjoy driving the 981S it’s a great car. You won’t be disappointed.
I have a 2015 981 GTS bought new and still love driving it.
emiraspain
Emira Addict
Well, Ive been quiet for a while.... after a moderator recommendation and my dad being at deaths door, take your pick which, but as my current UK Emira is now sold (info posted in the advertisement post.. I wont link it as I dont get paid for views), it would seem logical to post here.
So yes, Im Out - but not as we know it.
Now, the first thing to say (indicating that it could be a long post...dont read it if you dont want to, dont complain about it, just dont read the damn thing, you know who you are
.....) is that I am impossible to please, I am a perfectionist, which does not mean I am perfect, far from it, but I do LIKE perfect things and of course nothing is, but some details can be. So some points below are peculiar to me and a few others perhaps, but wont tally with what you want or feel, but as this is explaining why I am out and not why you are in, I will go ahead.
SO in no particular order here is some of MY reasoning to sell the UK car (I still have a spanish car due in weeks that I am deciding on)
1. The car is simply not what I felt it would be and indeed what was indicated by Lotus and Jenson chocolate Buttons.
Its not a bad car at all, but its not what you would expect from Lotus after their previous history. It is less visceral than the Evora, less powerful, less loud, less dramatic (more classy), less lightweight (more comfy)... its just less Lotus! I DO understand why and I am okay with why, but it doesn't change the facts, and I dont believe the i4 will be any less, less Lotus for saving 50 kilos and 2 cylinders. Those hoping the i4 is going to appease I feel will be disappointed, at least in the short term, as its illogical to have a cheaper car out performing the more expensive one.... cayman/911 and not even the Gt4 RS cayman outperforms the top 911 and yes there is a track test out there to prove it. Mods and later versions may alter this, but not for 18 - 24 months will Lotus upset the apple car....t. U will miss all these details soon....
2. In the UK at least, I feel this car, the FE, is going to depreciate a great deal, way more than a Cayman GTS and I dont like that as I dont have a good history of keeping cars for years.
I did my best and did very well in reducing and avoiding depreciation way before COVID times and I dont want to now go 100% in the opposite direction. A UK car with a LONG waiting list should be fetching way more than 5k over invoice price and the cars should be snapped up, but as I posted elsewhere, they are not being even slurped up and they are being reduced to sell. There are reasons for this, but IMO if I wanted a UK car, I would be better off avoiding the bad weather and buying one in 3 4 5 months when there are around 30/40 for sale and people will be quite desperate to sell and I could take my 86k received and maybe buy one for lets say 76k (max). Hence saving my 10k and effectively buying the car for net 70k, which leads me to my next point.
3. I feel at 80k or 82 with black pack, this that and the other, on the road costs, the car is over priced!
Yes, headline figures suggest a starting price at 60k, but it will never be 60k with on the road and a potential price increase coming? The interior is good for a Lotus, but come on, the Evora interior is pretty much on and off, 15 years old. The Emira has the very good fortune that Porsche did NOT update the 718 interior, which is also around 8 years old and so their direct competitor is way behind where it should be and that means Lotus can get away with what is for 80k, a quite poor interior in my opinion. For a 60k car its okay, its good in fact, but NOT for 80k! Its perhaps as good as a 718, but as I said, thats 8 years old!
I dont like an ipad sticking out of the dash, never have; its the easy design solution, not the correct design solution. The seats are not bad, but not 80k good, I said this on my track day and its been repeated by many, even those in favour of the car, Harry and Schmiii. Dont even start me off on the kef stereo and all the crap about running it in and their home speakers are top and this that the other. Its proved to be a let down for many people including chee...eee...eee....eeee....eeeerrr..eeerrrr..sssss shmmiiiii.
4. The whole excitement factor of buying a new 80k car was ruined by Lotus and their unprofessional management and I dont see that changing any time soon. If I have more honest and frequent contact from Caterham than lotus, this tells you something, when they have the same issues, except no one is perhaps bankrolling them and they could really have to lay people off if they didnt get cars out the doors, instead of China paying salaries for nothing.
I expected the excitement to build over time, but it simply hasn't. CS has been poor as we know and this does not bode well for if there are problems. Leading nicely to....
5. If there are problems....I fear the worst. Yes Lotus are sending mechanics out to see / fix /report back issues to relieved customers right now and people think they are doing this for the customer. No, lets be clear, they are doing it to stop the whole thing imploding! They need to find out these issues, which have escaped them at testing (the engine light issue was on a youtube video months ago!!) on the factory floor, supply chain, PDI etc, so that they can correct them and they dont absolutely ruin their hopes of the Emira being a success. Thats business and thats good, but its not for our friend in Germany with issues, its not for our friend from Prague (easier to spell than Cz!) and I do fear that after 6 months, this will not be the norm. I feel that later issues here and there will be left to dealers to deal with and with little support and few spare parts they have access to... BUT I HOPE I am wrong as hopefully the big brother will keep them on the right path to customer satisfaction, something they have not been great at previously where an Esprit's door hinges tended to drop after 4 or 5 closes from new and no fix, likewise Elise's boot closing etc etc.
6. ITs very good looking, but now I have seen it quite a bit, I am a bit less in love with that side..... not out of love, but less in love. But the overall good looks to me are decreased as I just get the feeling of..... hmmmm.... not german like quality. I wont say it feels cheap, but it does not feel quite as good as it looks. I could compare it to an Italian marble and a Brazilian marble... from a distance they look identical, but when you get close, and certainly upon examining in a bit more detail, you notice the difference. ok, another example...Mcvites Hobnobs... and their white label copies. I mean, they are not bad, but you just know they are not as good tasting, have cheaper ingredients and dont take as long to prepare (surely each one is hand made too.. haha).
I think thats the end of my coming out, oh wait.... no, thats not right...
I have now to decide the future of my spanish Emira and the problem there is that it costs about 15k pounds MORE than the UK one!!! Its 100% not worth 95k if its not worth 80k, but a different market and different prices for all cars! On the up side, I would be the 1st and one of the VERY few Emira owners, so when some hot chick mistakes my Emira for a Ferrari and hops in for a ride, I will then be grateful I bought it, WONT I?
So yes, Im Out - but not as we know it.
Now, the first thing to say (indicating that it could be a long post...dont read it if you dont want to, dont complain about it, just dont read the damn thing, you know who you are
.....) is that I am impossible to please, I am a perfectionist, which does not mean I am perfect, far from it, but I do LIKE perfect things and of course nothing is, but some details can be. So some points below are peculiar to me and a few others perhaps, but wont tally with what you want or feel, but as this is explaining why I am out and not why you are in, I will go ahead.SO in no particular order here is some of MY reasoning to sell the UK car (I still have a spanish car due in weeks that I am deciding on)
1. The car is simply not what I felt it would be and indeed what was indicated by Lotus and Jenson chocolate Buttons.
Its not a bad car at all, but its not what you would expect from Lotus after their previous history. It is less visceral than the Evora, less powerful, less loud, less dramatic (more classy), less lightweight (more comfy)... its just less Lotus! I DO understand why and I am okay with why, but it doesn't change the facts, and I dont believe the i4 will be any less, less Lotus for saving 50 kilos and 2 cylinders. Those hoping the i4 is going to appease I feel will be disappointed, at least in the short term, as its illogical to have a cheaper car out performing the more expensive one.... cayman/911 and not even the Gt4 RS cayman outperforms the top 911 and yes there is a track test out there to prove it. Mods and later versions may alter this, but not for 18 - 24 months will Lotus upset the apple car....t. U will miss all these details soon....
2. In the UK at least, I feel this car, the FE, is going to depreciate a great deal, way more than a Cayman GTS and I dont like that as I dont have a good history of keeping cars for years.
I did my best and did very well in reducing and avoiding depreciation way before COVID times and I dont want to now go 100% in the opposite direction. A UK car with a LONG waiting list should be fetching way more than 5k over invoice price and the cars should be snapped up, but as I posted elsewhere, they are not being even slurped up and they are being reduced to sell. There are reasons for this, but IMO if I wanted a UK car, I would be better off avoiding the bad weather and buying one in 3 4 5 months when there are around 30/40 for sale and people will be quite desperate to sell and I could take my 86k received and maybe buy one for lets say 76k (max). Hence saving my 10k and effectively buying the car for net 70k, which leads me to my next point.
3. I feel at 80k or 82 with black pack, this that and the other, on the road costs, the car is over priced!
Yes, headline figures suggest a starting price at 60k, but it will never be 60k with on the road and a potential price increase coming? The interior is good for a Lotus, but come on, the Evora interior is pretty much on and off, 15 years old. The Emira has the very good fortune that Porsche did NOT update the 718 interior, which is also around 8 years old and so their direct competitor is way behind where it should be and that means Lotus can get away with what is for 80k, a quite poor interior in my opinion. For a 60k car its okay, its good in fact, but NOT for 80k! Its perhaps as good as a 718, but as I said, thats 8 years old!
I dont like an ipad sticking out of the dash, never have; its the easy design solution, not the correct design solution. The seats are not bad, but not 80k good, I said this on my track day and its been repeated by many, even those in favour of the car, Harry and Schmiii. Dont even start me off on the kef stereo and all the crap about running it in and their home speakers are top and this that the other. Its proved to be a let down for many people including chee...eee...eee....eeee....eeeerrr..eeerrrr..sssss shmmiiiii.
4. The whole excitement factor of buying a new 80k car was ruined by Lotus and their unprofessional management and I dont see that changing any time soon. If I have more honest and frequent contact from Caterham than lotus, this tells you something, when they have the same issues, except no one is perhaps bankrolling them and they could really have to lay people off if they didnt get cars out the doors, instead of China paying salaries for nothing.
I expected the excitement to build over time, but it simply hasn't. CS has been poor as we know and this does not bode well for if there are problems. Leading nicely to....
5. If there are problems....I fear the worst. Yes Lotus are sending mechanics out to see / fix /report back issues to relieved customers right now and people think they are doing this for the customer. No, lets be clear, they are doing it to stop the whole thing imploding! They need to find out these issues, which have escaped them at testing (the engine light issue was on a youtube video months ago!!) on the factory floor, supply chain, PDI etc, so that they can correct them and they dont absolutely ruin their hopes of the Emira being a success. Thats business and thats good, but its not for our friend in Germany with issues, its not for our friend from Prague (easier to spell than Cz!) and I do fear that after 6 months, this will not be the norm. I feel that later issues here and there will be left to dealers to deal with and with little support and few spare parts they have access to... BUT I HOPE I am wrong as hopefully the big brother will keep them on the right path to customer satisfaction, something they have not been great at previously where an Esprit's door hinges tended to drop after 4 or 5 closes from new and no fix, likewise Elise's boot closing etc etc.
6. ITs very good looking, but now I have seen it quite a bit, I am a bit less in love with that side..... not out of love, but less in love. But the overall good looks to me are decreased as I just get the feeling of..... hmmmm.... not german like quality. I wont say it feels cheap, but it does not feel quite as good as it looks. I could compare it to an Italian marble and a Brazilian marble... from a distance they look identical, but when you get close, and certainly upon examining in a bit more detail, you notice the difference. ok, another example...Mcvites Hobnobs... and their white label copies. I mean, they are not bad, but you just know they are not as good tasting, have cheaper ingredients and dont take as long to prepare (surely each one is hand made too.. haha).
I think thats the end of my coming out, oh wait.... no, thats not right...
I have now to decide the future of my spanish Emira and the problem there is that it costs about 15k pounds MORE than the UK one!!! Its 100% not worth 95k if its not worth 80k, but a different market and different prices for all cars! On the up side, I would be the 1st and one of the VERY few Emira owners, so when some hot chick mistakes my Emira for a Ferrari and hops in for a ride, I will then be grateful I bought it, WONT I?
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Tailslides
Emira Fan
Seeing the reports of teething problems and the unfathomable poor communication from Lotus, I am relieved, and happy that I took a step away to hopefully allow these niggles to be addressed.
Being two hours from any dealer would not have been convenient if my car had any problems that required intervention from Lotus, I will give them some time to sort out the issues and then see if they can be coax me out of the GTS4.0
Being two hours from any dealer would not have been convenient if my car had any problems that required intervention from Lotus, I will give them some time to sort out the issues and then see if they can be coax me out of the GTS4.0
These are my main concerns , having been delayed again and after an underwhelming test drive I’m starting to loose interest , I have a Boxster 25 and RS60 to enjoy all summer , both of which are Great fun , fantastic engines , superb build quality and great dealer backup , however having come this far I am curious as to when I may get my checkout email ? , final decision will be made then .
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