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that's fair, diff tracks/groups definitely do run things differently... historically i've done about half of my annual days in a "club" setting where it's just open track for members so i'm more sensitive to the mix of skill levels involved. I've seen enough offs/wrecks over the years due to...

The general argument for srf vs motol is longgevity. I use motul, but i don't mind bleeding/flushing the brakes a few times a year, it seems srf is good for a full season from what I've read about it, so overall cost may be similar depending on your maintenance routines.

I disagree, novices tend to overuse/overheat brakes more than fast/experienced drivers from what I've seen. Any person on a track with any level of repetitive braking should take the precaution of using high temp fluids and proper pads. I certainly don't want anyone near me on track that doesn't.

Can I speculate and complain about people not comprehending what the OP is asking?

And yet YOU quoted my 2 second off pace of a GTS comment and replied with nonsense about making up time vs a gt3 in the first corner.

You missed it apparently, you aren't making up 2 seconds against a GTS on a road course. That's a huge gap. And LOL if you think this car will make up speed against a GT3 in the 1st turn...

Wow, 2 seconds off a GTS is a HUGE gap.

apparently that's not an SUV to the person I was responding to lol...

You misread or I didn't express it correctly then, because I'm primarily concerned with road course. I don't like giving point by's, and really enjoy passing off line in corners, so the car needs to handle AND accelerate well.

Better example, which would you buy, an Elise or an Exige if they were both the same price? edit, maybe not the best example, my point is if you could buy a car with all other things being equal, one with 200hp and one with 300hp.. I'd bet money most people would always opt for the higher...

Exactly. Especially if you're already accustomed to other cars in the 3.xx range. I LOVED driving my buddy's GR86, but would only buy one if it had something north of 300hp, just not enough thrust as-is.

I don't think it's an ego thing, it's a real measurement of acceleration capability, and since only a small % of us actually use cars in a manner where 50-60mph is the slowest part of the range, for street driven cars 0-60 makes more sense. 60-120 is a more useful metric for me, but nobody...

Hint: it's weight.

Welp. I'd like you to help me understand why this 420 hp suv is only a 6 second 0-60 then. https://www.caranddriver.com/gmc/yukon-yukon-xl

IF you were right, that "it's just plain stupid"... well then I guess the fact that every single performance car mfg publishes these numbers as marketing AND they generally get tested by owners and media is all for naught. You can enjoy your car however you wish, but the issue here is that...

ohhhh, if only they actually would have built them in a timely manner... then I would! I certainly beat the shit out of my cars with no hesitation. I chase lap times and the heat/stress/wear from doing that is far worse than an aggressive launch to 60 at the 400hp power level could ever be...

I dunno, If launching a 400 hp sports car is abusing it, then they should build it a bit better lol.

They should be paying interest for the stupid long wait haha

the wider track may or may not be a factor... if distance from spindle/caliper to the hard line mount is same it won't matter. I kinda doubt they made the control arms longer to get the width, but maybe. Did they change away from AP calipers?

Curious, what does that mean???

Nah, nearly every single production car is a compromise in suspension. Just the fact that lotus offers touring/sport/gt4 versions should tell you that there's room for improvement in any of them depending on what the drivers goals/wants are.

agree with all this. the likely increase of finance rates 100% played into my decision to get a diff car now vs wait.

I was lucky and saw the vid before it was made private :) Def worth the wait, he did a great job on it IMO! I had a twinge of regret for pulling my deposit when I saw one in nearly what my spec would have been, but oh well....

shocker lol.... based on those production numbers in the recent video, they've got a LOT of ramping up to do still.

Breaking Bad was 100% more satisfying than this lotus experience!

Yeah, I was very torn, but when it became clear that I'd be waiting another year or more, I figure I can simply enjoy another car in the meantime and just wait and likely get one under sticker someday. Maybe they'll have colors I actually love by then haha

I'll take reasons I gave up and bought an RS5 for $500 Alex. lol... the mark keeps moving in the wrong direction unfortunately. Good luck though! I'm still excited to see one in person someday!

not to mention sales tax effect....

man 3 people have seen it just in this thread... sounds super played out already! lol

not sure of the point here, but can you tell me what 2002 audi came in nardo? I thought it was 5 ish years ago, had no idea it has been a color choice for that long! googled it... looks like it was introduced around 2013 for the usa maybe... but was popular earlier in europe and maybe was a...

honestly this is the funny part about the "so played out" kinda comments, with very little exception you will see very close versions of all the colors on the road regularly IMO.

agreed, the other nardo/chalk greys look better, but in fairness I don't know that i trust many of the emira photos at this point. even the few above, one from the front looks warmer to me by quite a bit.

agreed, the wheels will make a ton of difference

lol... pulled my deposit and went for a nardo rs5 partly because I wasn't happy with the color choices... go figure! I'll circle back around if they come out with a bit more track focused version maybe.

I'm a bit jealous then! They seem to be listed for significantly more here! Right! it's like a $40k usd discount minimum! I'm not sure I'd have to think very long if this deal was available here!

that price point confuses me a bit, is that a lease deal basically?

https://lotusltd.com/log41/

Wow that is a lot. Gt350r spec is 7.88 and that’s pretty high too haha. I’d be curious now how much gain lotus gets on compression, they have to be relying on the roll gain quite a bit.

Caster is more important in strut cars than sla cars since they generally don’t have a camber gain on compression like sla cars do. How much are they running? Same with static camber but I totally agree that those setting make a ton of difference.

Just did some googling and sounds like biggest cause of lap time gain on the 718 is stickier cup 2s, so IF lotus’s claim of the emira being quicker around hethel than the evora (assuming they mean the gt/latest model), then it should be just putting the cars on the same compound tires to get...